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So, now that we've established it's a human baby and not a clump of cells or a parasite, can you tell me why a preemie in the NICU has rights and the one at the exact same stage of development within the womb doesn't deserve any rights at all? Is it just location?
as they say in real estate....location, location, location. a woman has the right to say if she wants to gestate, labor, deliver and either raise a child or give one up for adoption. period.
as they say in real estate....location, location, location. a woman has the right to say if she wants to gestate, labor, deliver and either raise a child or give one up for adoption. period.
I see, it has nothing to do with science or common sense for you.
The point is they are both dependent to survive. They are both human babies.
so what? as I just posted a woman has the right to decide if she wants to be pregnant, take it to term and all that it encompasses. a baby born can be taken care of by anyone. that is a huge distinction.
Sorry, but the poster clearly said the government makes the decision as to who a human is. I can't help if that opinion was shared by Nazis and racist slave owners.
Btw, do you feel the other poster's grandchild in the NICU wasn't a human yet or that location magically changes biology?
government doesn't decide who is human, that's beyond their brief. Government (the judiciary) decides who is a legal person, & the US Supreme Court held in Roe v. Wade that a fetus is not a legal person. & therefore abortion is permissible in the first trimester, & so on.
That Nazis &/or racists have held vaguely similar ideas (limited to a superabundance of self love for Aryans in the first case & presumably for their own race in the second case) is sheer coincidence, & therefore not convincing @ all.
As noted before, birth or delivery marks the distinction between a fetus & a child. Once born, it's a child. There is nothing magic about the operation of law - the boundaries in Roe are fairly clear - if unwelcome to some.
as they say in real estate....location, location, location. a woman has the right to say if she wants to gestate, labor, deliver and either raise a child or give one up for adoption. period.
So, kill a child in the womb... good... kill a child outside of the womb.. bad.
So. you have established your position simply on aspects that have no real consistency other than unimportant considerations that are specifically designed to meet your agenda.
So.... Let me ask you this.
If a person walks up to a pregnant woman who is just about to give birth... and kills the child... the best you could do is charge him with battery on the woman right?
Or is this is another one of those progressive "loop de loop" logic sessions where you conjure up some rationalized explanation how this is different?
so what? as I just posted a woman has the right to decide if she wants to be pregnant, take it to term and all that it encompasses. a baby born can be taken care of by anyone. that is a huge distinction.
Ok, you believe that an extremely early preemie will be just as likely to survive whether in a state of the art NICU or on an Amish farm.
You and science seem to be allergic to one another.
But if it is not and dependent we can kill it right? This is the basis of your argument, dependency?
a woman has the right to govern her own body, just as a man does. we also have the right to privacy. I am pro choice I support a woman's right to choice. she has 3 and I support hers whatever choice it is. her reasons are none of my business nor yours.
Ok, you believe that an extremely early preemie will be just as likely to survive whether in a state of the art NICU or on an Amish farm.
You and science seem to be allergic to one another.
why do you take the conversation to such unrealistic places? I would gather a guess I believe in science far more than you do.
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