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Old 02-22-2017, 02:07 PM
 
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Because humans have rights, hence the term human rights.

If a person is in an accident and on life support and has no living will or DNR of any type, can the spouse waltz in and tell the doctor to pull the plug?

Nope. It has to go through the courts because of that person's rights.
The spouse can decide to pull the plug unless the person on life support has someone other than their spouse as a legal representative for medical decisions. My father had no DNR of any type and my mother was the one that made the decision when it was time to pull the plug. No court was involved.

Your spouse automatically has medical power of attorney unless you appoint someone else as your medical POA.
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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The DOB on my government issued ID puts it at my delivery. Anybody else have a state issued ID that claims your conception as your DOB?
You DOB is NOT the same as your DAY of EXISTENCE.
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:14 PM
 
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You feel that it's a governments decision about what a woman has to do with her body. Big, obtrusive government.
It's not the government's decision about a woman's body it is protection of an innocent life and the potential that comes with it.
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:16 PM
 
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Nope. A woman has the right to sell her body, ingest whatever she chooses, get a tattoo that says "F the president", commit suicide or even sell her own body parts.

She doesn't have the right to kill her children for an unjust reason, even if that child is a week from delivery.

Your rights only go as far as when they step on the rights of others. So, just as a woman can't walk into the NICU and strangle her preemie because it is a human with rights, neither should she be able to kill the identically same, biologically speaking, baby inside her womb.

There is a point between conception and delivery where that blob of cells becomes a person.
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:19 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Default So say we all?

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NX gen are you thinking a fetus is more important than a living independent fully functioning human?

if so see southwest's post.

you can't ignore the fact it is law. you don't have to agree. find something immoral don't do it.

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By this logic, a person on life support is no longer a human with rights.
(Laughing)

Ah, if you force me to choose between you and Stephen Hawking, you know who's going to get my vote, right? Hawking is nearly gone, God bless him, & yet he's working & writing & contributing to his field.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:19 PM
 
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No, I am thinking all life is equally important, you are the one placing "value" on life, not me.
Again, law has in the past stated many things. If your point is to argue law, then you have no grounds to object against law when it does not suit your fancy. That is, if law says women can be raped legally, who are you to argue with the law? Right? After all, many cultures have laws that allow the subjugation, rape, and mistreatment of women, are they also right because it is their law? If not, are you not then ethnocentric?
are you saying all life is equal important? a fetus is equally important as the woman who carries it? when the mother's life is in danger, should it just be left up to fate to decide who lives or dies in that situation?

I support choice both by law and by personal choice. abortion doesn't go away when it's illegal, it just becomes dangerous. I have no right, nor do you to tell a woman who we don't even know how to govern her own reproduction. people live their lives the way they do because they feel it's right, not because a law tells them to. if that were the case the prisons would be empty. your point in bringing laws other than abortion into the topic?

do you have a problem with our right to privacy?

if all life is equally important why doesn't the anti choicers out there protest the thousands and thousands of babies left in the deep freeze at fertility clinics?
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:21 PM
 
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WOW.....and yet, here you are, espousing on something you actually know very little about.


FYI....third trimester abortions are ALREADY tightly regulated. They are not done without good reason. Either the fetus is severely deformed or the life of the mother is at stake.


What more do you want?


My Third-Trimester Abortion







I ask you to read this woman's story.....and after you do.....please tell me why you think complete strangers like you should have any input in situations like these.
I ask you to read about Kermit Gosnell and after you do, please tell me why you think that late term abortions are rare and of no consequence.


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/


She said Dr. Gosnell told her “the baby is big enough that it could walk to the store or the bus stop.”
Eventually the baby boy went in the freezer, Cross said.
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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Nope, you try to put the crazy conditions on what makes a human a human with rights but refuse to apply it evenly.

I know I'm wasting my time trying to get you to logically examine your extremist ideas on this topic, but I figured I'd try.

Deny the science behind it all you want, but at a point that embryo becomes a human prior to delivery, and that human has some basic rights.
sorry no an embryo prior to delivery has no rights. we do not have "personhood rights".

you are ok with forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will. I am not.
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:26 PM
 
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I ask you to read about Kermit Gosnell and after you do, please tell me why you think that late term abortions are rare and of no consequence.


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/


She said Dr. Gosnell told her “the baby is big enough that it could walk to the store or the bus stop.”
Eventually the baby boy went in the freezer, Cross said.
And he was breaking the already existing laws regarding abortion. He was convicted too.
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:26 PM
 
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Have you ever looked at the preemies in the NICU?

What parasite do you think they resemble the most?
My preemies didn't become parasites until they were 16 and wouldn't get jobs.
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