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And the $10 000 earner in the US has to pay child care, health care, retirement, higher education etc out of pocket.
This was assuming single, no kids. And people who earn $10,000/year in the US are on Food Stamps, Medicaid, financial aid/scholarships for the low-income, all kinds of other public assistance programs, and don't contribute like their counterparts in Sweden. Start charging them 12% tax, like I said, and we'll talk.
Oh, BS. That low of an income is Medicaid-eligible.
Please don't be stupid.
Not sure who is stupid. Have you heard of the coverage gap? Medicaid eligibility was expanded under Obamacare but only in states that decided to do so. As far as I know before ACA, childless adults were never eligible, and the family limit was something ridiculous like 9k.
But the point was not that anyway, you need to know what's covered by taxes to make any meaningful comparisons.
One more example - let's be generous - household income 200k (so no subsidies for anything, right), 2kids daycare 20k (that's kind of cheap actually). Now that's equivalent (neglecting some deductions) to 10% tax on gross income in all years of daycare. Than do the math for college.
Not sure who is stupid. Have you heard of the coverage gap? Medicaid eligibility was expanded under Obamacare but only in states that decided to do so.
Medicaid IS available to single adults with income below the poverty level, which is $11,770. For expanded Medicaid (Obamacare) it's $16,243.
Get back to me when $10,000 single adult US earners pay a 12% income tax rate like in Sweden.
This was assuming single, no kids. And people who earn $10,000/year in the US are on Food Stamps, Medicaid, financial aid/scholarships for the low-income, all kinds of other public assistance programs, and don't contribute like their counterparts in Sweden. Start charging them 12% tax, like I said, and we'll talk.
Dont be silly. Medicaid is NOT supported by social darwinists like yourself so dont use that as an argument of the great safety net they have. And red states deny support for single with no kids in general anyway. Support for retirement is a joke on $10 000 a year in America. Same with worker's rights like medical leave, sick leave, vacation, disability insurance etc. And these are UNIVERSAL in Sweden. Not means tested like in America. Child care alone is a huge expense for most middle class families in America. For poor people, its absurdly expensive. In Sweden, taxes fund almost the entire cost of it. And you claim America spends too much on food stamps and health care for children?? Try $20 000 per child per year for child care for parents. Out of pocket. Investing in child care makes it possible for both parents to work and pay taxes, so perhaps they are on to something in Sweden. People getting upset they are paying $1000 extra in taxes but are fine with $20 000 in child care costs and $7000 in HC premiums and deductibles? Its obvious who benefits from the awful means tested system in America, and that is the donor class.
Don't hold your breath on Socialized Medicine for all or some sort of Medicare for all.
I hate Medicare and would love to go back to the Insurance I had before I was forced onto Medicare.
Do you honestly believe insurance companies are interested in providing coverage to the sick and the elderly? How would they make money?
Medicaid IS available to single adults with income below the poverty level, which is $11,770. For expanded Medicaid (Obamacare) it's $16,243.
Get back to me when $10,000 single adult US earners pay a 12% income tax rate like in Sweden.
Nope, not in red states its not available.
And many people pay $1200 a year in property taxes even at very low annual incomes while Sweden's property taxes are much lower (because they dont fund schools with them among other things).
If you are a parent with a child and earn more than $3000 in Alabama, you dont qualify for Medicaid. In Texas the cut-off is about $5000. Same with other red states. If you dont have a child, you dont qualify at all.
I just double checked, the cut-off for Medicaid eligibility for a family of 3 in Texas is $3800. Single no kids of course gets no Medicaid.
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