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Old 05-09-2017, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Healthcare is unaffordable in this country without insurance. Healthcare is the locked door to quality of life, insurance is the key.

The average cost of an appendectomy without insurance is $33,000.

Most of us require preventative care to avoid emergent, potentially irreversible health crises. Many need care for preexisting conditions through no fault of their own. No insurance = no healthcare, certain death, reduced, quality of life or bankruptcy. In this country there is no separation of the two.

There is no justification for this slapdash gutted "insurance" that is Trumpcare.
Because of ACA, family of 4 in our area get $1700 a month plan with $13.5k deductible.
They might as well just save up for a year to pay for that appendectomy.

Btw, cash price for appendectomy around $11k.

Get rid of insurance.
Once price for everyone.
Transparent pricing for everyone.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:53 AM
 
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Yeah, probably not. No one buys this.



So you are arguing it was a disaster but people like it?



I support UHC. I was supporting it when we got the Obamacare mess.
I am for UHC, but Obamacare (ACA) is also fine.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:55 AM
 
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I am for UHC, but Obamacare (ACA) is also fine.
I'm not willing to set my standards that low.

If you are willing to accept crap, that is what you get.
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:01 AM
 
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I'm not willing to set my standards that low.

If you are willing to accept crap, that is what you get.
My children and I have Medicaid. Both have had major surgeries, major injuries and have on going health issues. My daughter saw a sports medicine doctor that treats our local NFL players. We paid nothing to have him perform her surgery. I would not call ObamaCare crap. I love the coverage.
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:03 AM
 
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My children and I have Medicaid. Both have had major surgeries, major injuries and have on going health issues. My daughter saw a sports medicine doctor that treats our local NFL players. We paid nothing to have him perform her surgery. I would not call ObamaCare crap. I love the coverage.
For the majority Obamacare has co-pays and deductibles. Odds are you are actually on another program. WV has long covered low income children.

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Old 05-09-2017, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Most people do not like Obamacare. They just don't want a worse alternative.
What alternative is there besides a return to the old system which Obamacare is better than but not a total fix. Sadly Republicans specifically conservatives don't want Medicare-for-all at all. What would satisfy all parties?
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Because of ACA, family of 4 in our area get $1700 a month plan with $13.5k deductible.
They might as well just save up for a year to pay for that appendectomy.

Btw, cash price for appendectomy around $11k.

Get rid of insurance.
Once price for everyone.
Transparent pricing for everyone.
Wouldn't Medicare-for-all be just as efficient of a system.
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Stop the nonsense. People are denied life saving care and medicine all the time because they cant afford it. Life and death situation isnt simply some traffic accident and being rushed to the ER to get stabilized.

Pre-existing conditions are back. And they are back with a vengeance.
That's the extent of the average Trumpette's mental capacity I'm afraid. Issues are either black or white to them. There is no gray area. Higher order thinking is something they simply cannot grasp.
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:13 AM
 
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What alternative is there besides a return to the old system which Obamacare is better than but not a total fix. Sadly Republicans specifically conservatives don't want Medicare-for-all at all. What would satisfy all parties?
Why do you do this? I care less what "Republicans, especially conservatives" want nor do I speak for them. I am not interested in satisfying the parties either. They are both a large part of the problem.
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Why do you do this? I care less what "Republicans, especially conservatives" want nor do I speak for them. I am not interested in satisfying the parties either. They are both a large part of the problem.
You claim there is a better way, what is it? I'm stating a current reality, though a number of conservatives are realizing Medicare-for-all is inevitable. Robert Reich: Why universal health care is inevitable in America | Chicago Sun-Times
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