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View Poll Results: Should we remove all tributes to these two slave owners?
Yes 19 12.93%
No 128 87.07%
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:31 AM
 
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Jefferson wasn't treasonous to his own country.

Maybe we can add a Mussolini, Ho Chi Mihn, and Saddam Hussein monuments to the Robert E Lee ones. All were enemies of the United States.
Actually Jefferson was treasonous to his own country since he was a British subject when he joined the Revolution. For that reason a statue of him in London wouldn't make sense while one here in the country he was key in establishing does.
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:33 AM
 
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Give me a beak. This is not a legitimate or widespread movement.

Likening this to confederate status is ridiculous weak sauce.
Correct.... for now. When the Confederate statues are all down and streets and schools are all renamed, they will move on to demanding that Stone Mountain be blasted away, Confederate Cemeteries be erased, and any Confederates memorials be removed from Civil War Battlefield Parks. Going after the Founding Fathers who owned or supported slavery will follow that.

Basically perpetually offended victims need to have a target upon which to focus their grievances. It is just human nature.
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:33 AM
 
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No.


If you're going that route, we need to tear down Malcolm X college, because he's a known racist. Tear down the Pancho Villa statue in Tucson, he invaded and killed innocent civilians. Heck, while we're at it, we might as well tear down the Egyptian pyramids as those were built with slave labor, too!
Totally agree. Couldn't rep you but this a great post.
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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Correct.... for now. When the Confederate statues are all down and streets and schools are all renamed, they will move on to demanding that Stone Mountain be blasted away, Confederate Cemeteries be erased, and any Confederates memorials be removed from Civil War Battlefield Parks. Going after the Founding Fathers who owned or supported slavery will follow that.

Basically perpetually offended victims need to have a target upon which to focus their grievances. It is just human nature.
Gotta keep up with the news
Abrams calls for removal of Confederate faces off Stone Mountain | Political Insider blog
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:36 AM
 
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If you parse my statement you'll notice the words "legitimate" and "widespread". Sure, there are people that might want this. But it's not a movement that has any chance of getting that. Come on people, do you guys really think this is something that will happen? Really????


Comparing this to the Confederate statues is a weak argument. There is a lot more to those statues than just those people having owned slaves. If people think it's just because they owned slaves, then they're not paying very much attention.
I beg to differ!

The Real Thomas Jefferson - The New York Times

Jefferson claimed he had “never seen an elementary trait of painting or sculpture†or poetry among blacks and argued that blacks’ ability to “reason†was “much inferior†to whites’, while “in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous.†He conceded that blacks were brave, but this was because of “a want of fore-thought, which prevents their seeing a danger till it be present.â€
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:38 AM
 
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We should tear the United States of America as it was founded by a bunch of slave owners, after they slaughtered all the Natives, to enslave black people.

Does anybody actually give a crap about the Natives? I didn't think so.
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:38 AM
 
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You are going to see the armed Oath Keepers, stationed 24/7 in front of these monuments, to protect them.
They better tear them all down within the next week, because someone is going to catch a round, if they try to destroy history.
The irony of the Oath Keepers guarding Confederate statues is so hilarious.
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:39 AM
 
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The American ISIS wants to remove all reminders of history
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:52 AM
 
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I beg to differ!

The Real Thomas Jefferson - The New York Times

Jefferson claimed he had “never seen an elementary trait of painting or sculpture” or poetry among blacks and argued that blacks’ ability to “reason” was “much inferior” to whites’, while “in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous.” He conceded that blacks were brave, but this was because of “a want of fore-thought, which prevents their seeing a danger till it be present.”
And there is a proposal in there for removing Jefferson's statues? If not - please keep up. Did you even read the post you replied to (with "I beg to differ!" LOL...what do you beg to differ on, exactly???)?

His views on slavery are well understood.
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:54 AM
 
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The American ISIS wants to remove all reminders of history
Yep - that's it!
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