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Well hell, lets just get rid of any and everything confederate. Any street named Lee or Jackson has got to go. The town of Ramsuer NC is named for a confederate general, change it. Pender county in NC is named for a confederate general, change that as well. There must be thousands of landmarks named for participants in the confederacy. Every one is obscene and pays homage to to a bunch of slavers. It's ridiculous and offensive. There should be nothing that ever makes us even think of those bunch of looser, traitor, slave whippers. While we are at it, destroy all the copies of Gone With the Wind and forbid it ever to be seen again, same for Cold Mountain and any other movie that that dares portray any 1800 era southerner in a favorable light. Lets find any ancestors of Civil War confederate soldiers and charge them with conspiracy to traffic humans. Everyone of them should be held accountable and at least turn over all their wealth so it can be redistributed to the ancestors of slaves as compensation. Maybe than there will be some justice.
Should we remove Thomas Jefferson and George Washington memorials, tributes and statues, including their images on Mount Rushmore, since each owned more than 300 slaves?
I think memorials should be erected celebrating the life of Anthony Johnson (c, 1600-1670), Apparently the very first slave owner in the Colonies.
Oh, by the way, he was a Negro...
Not possible, Johnson himself (if it's the same person - there's some doubt - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)) was himself a captured slave from Angola & sold as an indentured slave in the Virginia Colony. & therefore he couldn't possibly be the first slave owner in the Colonies - unless we're going to argue that he owned himself, & sold himself into slavery to himself?
I heard they just signed the demolition permits for the Washington Monument, Jefferson Memorial, the White House, Monticello, the entire UVA campus, the US Capitol, the US Supreme Court, etc., they're leveling it all, then we are all going to hold hands and sing Kumbaya!
Washington and Jefferson did own slaves. However, they didn't fight a war with the explicit purpose to keep slavery. The Confederates, however, did fight a war with the expressed purpose of keeping slavery. Whoever compares Confederates with the Founding Fathers, that is a straw man argument.
Here is a better idea. I would have just a tiny bit more respect for said persons if they just admit that they are
1) Afraid to let go of the Lost Cause myth
2) Confederate sympathizers themselves but understand how much social ostracism they'll get for being that.
Oh, please.
Do as I say not as I do.
Not everyone believes those who fought in the war or led the military were symbols of slavery. Whether you choose to believe it or not the continuation of slavery was not the only reason for the civil war and was actually just a pawn in the larger game. Slavery was also not the reason most soldiers fought and few people living in the confederate states were slave owners.
Respectfully, this isn't a matter of belief. While I'm sure there is some historical debate about what all of the causes were that led to the Civil War, the war was primarily about the institution of slavery. I'm no academic historian, but that much is certain. And you're right -- not every Southerner owned slaves, but most supported the institution and benefited economically in indirect ways. Furthermore, they didn't want to be on equal footing with the former slaves.
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I expect people to understand the vile institution of slavery is embedded in mankind's history from virtually the beginnings of mankind. For most of history in every civilization slavery was an accepted practice.
Again, respectfully, I don't see how this is relevant here. In OUR history, black Americans were enslaved by white Americans.
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I expect people to take it for what it was, not take it personally and act on their emotions and realize the worlds standards are now different than they were during that time, except these historical monuments as part of our history, one that should not be forgotten but celebrated as the point in which the institution of slavery came to an end.
But these symbols are not celebrated for that reason. These Confederate statues are symbols of heroism in the South. Why would you erect a statue of a man that fought for the institution of slavery if not to celebrate the accomplishments of that man? You don't erect a statute of a person or proudly display a symbol of something that represents the opposition of the very thing you claim we should be celebrating -- the end of slavery.
Would you erect a statue of Hitler in a public square or embed the Swastika in a state flag in celebration of the end of the Holocaust?
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IMO the worse insult and offense it the way in which the freed slaves and their decedents were treated by BOTH the north and south. The injustices, discrimination, and oppression didn't end with the emancipation. Slavery was coming to an end world wide, it would have soon been eradicated in America without the civil war but all the evils of racism remained. That has squat to do with the confederate military leaders or fallen soldiers.
I agree with the first part, they haven't been treated well countrywide since the end of the war, and perhaps slavery would have come to an end on its own. However, that does not change the fact that confederate military leaders represent the opposition to the end of slavery, an institution that is the direct cause of the attitude towards black Americans in the years since.
Perhaps what matters most here is the perspective of the oppressed. What is a Confederate symbol to an African American? It represents the rape, murder, and torture of black Americans at the hands of white Americans. These historical monuments should not be symbols of pride. If people want to appreciate the history and appreciate the historical lesson to be learned from them, then that can be done, in a museum.
Should we remove Thomas Jefferson and George Washington memorials, tributes and statues, including their images on Mount Rushmore, since each owned more than 300 slaves?
The demand for this would be minor, compared to the uproar if anyone ever tried to erect a public monument to Trump. It wouldn't last any longer than the statue of Saddam Hussein, after he was overthrown.
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