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View Poll Results: Should we remove all tributes to these two slave owners?
Yes 19 12.93%
No 128 87.07%
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Old 08-16-2017, 05:46 AM
 
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Slavery did not start in the US. The morality was questioned from day one for the next 200 years. A quarter of a million Americans died to answer the morality question once and for all resulting in the whole world recognizing slavery as being wrong. America did not start slavery but it ended the legality of it.
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Old 08-16-2017, 05:47 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Jefferson wasn't treasonous to his own country. .
LOl... Yes they were. Just ask the British.
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Old 08-16-2017, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Former land of plenty
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The alt right wants everything in Washington torn down and the city renamed to Putingrad.
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Old 08-16-2017, 06:02 AM
 
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Before - due to the efforts of people such as William Wilberforce. Slavery was banned in Britain long before the American Civil War.

The actual slave trade was banned under the Slave Trade Act 1807, whilst slavery itself was abolished in the Slavery Abolition Act 1833 and subsequent legislation in 1843.

Slave Trade Act 1807 - Wikipedia

Slavery Abolition Act 1833 - Wikipedia

Indian Slavery Act of 1843 - Wikipedia

Slavery abolished in America - Dec 18, 1865 - HISTORY.com

John Newton was born in Wapping London, in 1725 ( 24 July 1725 – 21 December 1807) and was an English sailor, in the Royal Navy later a becoming a captain of slave ships. He became ordained as an evangelical Anglican cleric, served Olney, Buckinghamshire in England for two decades, and also wrote hymns, his best known being "Amazing Grace" and "Glorious Things of Thee Are Spoken".

John Newton - Wikipedia

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So, if the colonies had remained part of England, slavery would have ended sooner in America.
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Old 08-16-2017, 06:03 AM
 
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Only IF:

Washington and Jefferson committed treason by leading a ruinous war against the USA in an attempt to preserve that slavery.

I still hold out some slim hope that a sliver of Trumplings will begin to see tRump for what he is. Because he's certainly telling us all exactly that.

It seems that Trumplings are afraid to look.

So, was rebellion the bigger issue than slavery to you?
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Old 08-16-2017, 06:09 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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So, if the colonies had remained part of England, slavery would have ended sooner in America.
Thanks to people such Wilberforce and Newton, the answer is probably yes, but then again there might have still been a war, as slavery was deeply ingrained in parts of the South of the US and a lot of wealthy plantation owners would have been up in arms, despite some financial compensation.
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Old 08-16-2017, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Give me a beak. This is not a legitimate or widespread movement.

Likening this to confederate status is ridiculous weak sauce.
The best part of this statement is that few will get the unintentional connection you made.

If it wasn't for the hypocritical nature of too many of the founders and the unwillingness of we the people to hold government accountable for denying the rights of individuals, confederate never would have existed.
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Old 08-16-2017, 06:12 AM
 
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Slavery did not start in the US. The morality was questioned from day one for the next 200 years. A quarter of a million Americans died to answer the morality question once and for all resulting in the whole world recognizing slavery as being wrong. America did not start slavery but it ended the legality of it.
The sad part is there's plenty of slavery still going on today in 2017 around the world. As long as there are human beings on earth there will be slaves somewhere, sad but true.
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Old 08-16-2017, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Texas
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So, was rebellion the bigger issue than slavery to you?
The treasonous rebellion was all about slavery. There's no separation. It was a double whammy.

Now you know.

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Old 08-16-2017, 06:20 AM
 
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Should we remove Thomas Jefferson and George Washington memorials, tributes and statues, including their images on Mount Rushmore, since each owned more than 300 slaves?


I see someone is upset today?
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