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Old 05-11-2018, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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16-year-old MPS student arrested after punching teacher several times in the head

See the video. Why has the culture grown to the extent that people really believe they can beat a teacher to a pulp with impunity? Is this what people want for the police too; for the streets to become the Wild West, but with no Wyatt Earp? We need to allow teachers and police officers to control areas under their charge. I see nothing sensitive or appealing about that alleged "young man."And caught in the act? on video? Presumed innocent? Really?
Here is the thing that my father told me with the rash of recent videos of black men and women being beaten by cops, we don't see what started it with the social media videos by onlookers. I agree with that to a point, but the point that a student punches a teacher in the head or a cop punts a downed perp or a cop grabs someone by the neck, it shouldn't have gotten to that point at all.

As for the kid being innocent, that is the justice system. He punched the teacher so he broke a law, but what made him doing it, snapping for no reason, trauma at home, the teacher used fighting words towards the student, previous issues with the teacher, just being genuinely crazy but masking it, a candidate for PBS classrooms? There are x-factors a court of law have to weed through before calling him guilty.

 
Old 05-11-2018, 08:38 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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As for the kid being innocent, that is the justice system. He punched the teacher so he broke a law, but what made him doing it, snapping for no reason, trauma at home, the teacher used fighting words towards the student, previous issues with the teacher, just being genuinely crazy but masking it, a candidate for PBS classrooms? There are x-factors a court of law have to weed through before calling him guilty.
Lost in the sauce is any rights of society, see How Much Process is Too Much Due Process for Violent Student? Or does no one really care if we're educating our underclass?
 
Old 05-11-2018, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Lost in the sauce is any rights of society, see How Much Process is Too Much Due Process for Violent Student? Or does no one really care if we're educating our underclass?
Society doesn't have rights. Only individuals have rights.
 
Old 05-11-2018, 08:54 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Society doesn't have rights. Only individuals have rights.
Are you just trying to get attention or joking?
 
Old 05-11-2018, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Are you just trying to get attention or joking?
Explain how societies have rights. Rights are inalienable and come from the Creator.

The Creator didn't create societies or states; He only created individuals.
 
Old 05-11-2018, 08:59 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Explain how societies have rights. Rights are inalienable and come from the Creator.

The Creator didn't create societies or states; He only created individuals.
The Creator created individuals as social, group animals.
 
Old 05-11-2018, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The Creator created individuals as social, group animals.
Societies are a human construct, like the State, and as such have no rights.

By definition Natural Law only applies to individuals, as it doesn't require violence to exist. Man-made laws inherently require violence. See fascism and communism.
 
Old 05-11-2018, 10:05 PM
 
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The teacher should sue the kid and his family. Make that kid's life hell.
This happened in the ghetto. That kid's life is likely already a living hell.
 
Old 05-11-2018, 10:15 PM
 
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Kids who cause the most violence in the classroom are often the ones with the least to lose.
 
Old 05-11-2018, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Iowa
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Why do we waste taxpayer money on these schools, if we don't give the teacher a pull chain which links the parents, the welfare office, and the housing authority. Kid acts like monster, teacher contacts parents, parents don't care, teacher contacts welfare office, benefits are reduced, parent and kids moved to less desirable apartment or camp/group home environment with frequent drug testing. Give the teacher the power to punish, the ability to defend themselves from assault with force if necessary, without the worry about getting fired if they knock some kid on the floor. Detention was always a good tool to keep kids in check, how about downgrading a students lunch ticket for bad behavior? Hey kid, you acted up in my class today, so you get S on a shingle for lunch.

If we don't give the teachers power to control the classroom, why waste so much money on teachers? Separate the kids who want to learn from the ones who don't. Those who want to learn get real teachers, the others get a male guard, a big tough one. The guards get half the teachers pay, all they do is operate the video TV/projector which shows films about junkies going thru withdrawal symptoms, VD and HIV, life behind bars and prison life, maybe they teach shop classes or something which might lead to a job they could actually get out of high school. Never should any money be spent on the rejects for athletics programs or anything which costs a lot of money for equipment, including art supplies, music, computers and tablets, or any of that crap. Also, make sure those reject classrooms are a little short on heating and air conditioning. Those things are for good students who display civilized behavior, and want to learn.

Property taxes are expensive, why flush that money down the drain?

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