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Old 09-19-2017, 07:08 PM
 
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Workers who paid into Medicare did "pay for [heathcare], in every paycheck for their entire working lives.
Things end. We should all be on the same playing field. No age group should be more special than another. For seniors to vote to take away health coverage for those younger? Not a lot of sympathy. We have been subsidizing them three to one for a long time. It needs to END.

 
Old 09-19-2017, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Things end. We should all be on the same playing field. No age group should be more special than another. For seniors to vote to take away health coverage for those younger? Not a lot of sympathy. We have been subsidizing them three to one for a long time. It needs to END.
Many Progressives seem to agree with you. The country is leaning towards your way of thinking.
 
Old 09-19-2017, 07:23 PM
 
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Employer based health insurance is the true problem of our health insurance system. Work and health insurance needs to be separated. No one expects any other insurance product through an employer. Say thank you to WW2 era wage control rules for our system.

The exchanges would work fine if more were in the pool. All tax benefits to employer based health insurance should be ended. In its place, a new payroll tax will be added. The funds will be used to subsidize the exchanges. People will than pick their plan. Special help will be available for the poor or disabled.
 
Old 09-19-2017, 07:23 PM
 
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Many Progressives seem to agree with you. The country is leaning towards your way of thinking.
End Medicare for seniors and when no one has health coverage, maybe we can discuss it more honestly. One segment of the population should not be able to receive health coverage while voting against anyone else receiving it. Especially when they are being so very heavily subsidized.
 
Old 09-19-2017, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Once no one has health coverage, maybe we can discuss it more honestly. One segment of the population should not be able to receive health coverage while voting against anyone else receiving it. Especially when they are being so very heavily subsidized.
We paid a portion of our income to the government, for 40 years, in exchange for healthcare in our old age. If the voters and government decide not to honor that contract, what will be will be.
 
Old 09-19-2017, 07:32 PM
 
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It is high time to either

1. Leave this issue alone (and I mean that for both parties. The Bernie Sanders single payer bill is every bit as repugnant to me as Cassidy-Graham.)

Or

2. On a bipartisan basis, enact small changes that stabilize the market without creating winners and losers.
Obamacare is not a long-term solution. Deep down both parties recognize this. The Democrats will undo Obamacare for single payer if the Republicans don't undo it first.
 
Old 09-19-2017, 07:35 PM
 
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We paid a portion of our income to the government, for 40 years, in exchange for healthcare in our old age. If the voters and government decide not to honor that contract, what will be will be.
Exactly. Costs got too expensive. Seniors got greedy. Suddenly they were getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in benefits while the rest of the country paid for it while receiving no health coverage. Seniors voted against them receiving health coverage. Seniors screamed that "health care is not a right". Time to hold them to that and take it away from seniors too. Seniors pay one third of the benefits they receive. We who work are paying the rest for them.
 
Old 09-19-2017, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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Obamacare is not a long-term solution. Deep down both parties recognize this. The Democrats will undo Obamacare for single payer if the Republicans don't undo it first.
Medicare for all..with an income cut-off...$48,000 a year...you're at the mercy of the insurance industry....whose rates should go down..with most of the high risk groups covered..of course..they will raise rate..to make up for the lost income. Perhaps a rate cap mandated to law..for those who must buy?
 
Old 09-19-2017, 07:37 PM
 
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Obamacare is not a long-term solution. Deep down both parties recognize this. The Democrats will undo Obamacare for single payer if the Republicans don't undo it first.
I would be fine with single payer. I would be fine with a basic level of health care available to all and supplemental policies available for purchase beyond that. But since Republicans are so bent on ending health coverage, take it away from everyone.
 
Old 09-19-2017, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Austin
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....take [healthcare] away from seniors too. Seniors pay one third of the benefits they receive. We who work are paying the rest for them.
Many Progressives, maybe most Progressives, agree with you.
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