How can NK's nuke test be stopped? (solution, dictator, education)
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Very few are "calling for war." We are simply looking for ways to exterminate a sadist before he goes from chopping the legs off his citizens to nuking other countries. If you really think that what he does in his country is cool, that is your right, but people outside his country--who are not being starved to death, shot, or having their legs chopped off--have the right to live free from such conditions or radiation sickness.
I find it strange that Bush premise to invade was WMD. NK has shown they have WMD....yet the reaction is different.
Also the UN is a bunch of idiots when Trump repeatedly is calling the international community is calling them out to pitch in
The minimal information that we have about what goes on inside that country is enough to sicken even a run-of-the-mill sadist. That some of you people here can defend that regime is mind-blowing. I guess it shouldn't be all that surprising, because people like Vlad Tepes would never have held any power or would never have been able to do the horrid, sadistic things he did without a segment of society supporting his acts and leadership. Alas, somebody had to have worked in the death camps or those Jews wouldn't have been gassed. So I guess it should be no surprise that a segment of the participants on CD forums would applaud the Regime of The Doughboy. They probably feel jealous.
It's not a matter of "defending" Kim Jong Un, it's a matter of whether and how the US should be involved.
But a basic problem is that Americans are terminally stupid about ordinary human relations.
Here is an analogy:
Let's say we're out on the frontier.
There is a big robber baron, like that guy in the latest "The Magnificent Seven."
The robber baron sees three dirt farmers and announces: "I don't like you, and you, and you. You have no business breathing my air."
He repeats threats over and over again, even sending his goons to shadow them, point guns at them. Sometimes he breaks their windows or kills their livestock.
Maybe the dirt farmers themselves aren't nice guys--they mistreat their wives. But the robber baron isn't really interested in that, not really. He wouldn't like them anyway.
Since he's the meanest and most powerful guy in town, there isn't anyone else around to stop him.
Then one day, he runs out actually kills one of those three guys...just stomps the guy to death, right in front of everyone.
And after that, he looks at the other two and says, "One of you is next!"
So then one of the guys comes to an arrangement with the robber baron, but even when the robber baron signs the agreement, he says, "But I'll probably change my mind and call it off tomorrow. Or maybe the next day."
What are those two guys going to do?
They're going to buy a gun.
And as long as the robber baron presents himself as a deadly threat, they're going to do everything they can to get that gun.
I find it strange that Bush premise to invade was WMD. NK has shown they have WMD....yet the reaction is different.
The difference is that the DPRK has WMD (which in their case includes their mass of hardened conventional artillery overlooking Seoul), while Rumsfeld and Cheney knew all along that Iraq did not.
It's not a matter of "defending" Kim Jong Un, it's a matter of whether and how the US should be involved.
But a basic problem is that Americans are terminally stupid about ordinary human relations.
Here is an analogy:
Let's say we're out on the frontier.
There is a big robber baron, like that guy in the latest "The Magnificent Seven."
The robber baron sees three dirt farmers and announces: "I don't like you, and you, and you. You have no business breathing my air."
He repeats threats over and over again, even sending his goons to shadow them, point guns at them. Sometimes he breaks their windows or kills their livestock.
Maybe the dirt farmers themselves aren't nice guys--they mistreat their wives. But the robber baron isn't really interested in that, not really. He wouldn't like them anyway.
Since he's the meanest and most powerful guy in town, there isn't anyone else around to stop him.
Then one day, he runs out actually kills one of those three guys...just stomps the guy to death, right in front of everyone.
And after that, he looks at the other two and says, "One of you is next!"
So then one of the guys comes to an arrangement with the robber baron, but even when the robber baron signs the agreement, he says, "But I'll probably change my mind and call it off tomorrow. Or maybe the next day."
What are those two guys going to do?
They're going to buy a gun.
And as long as the robber baron presents himself as a deadly threat, they're going to do everything they can to get that gun.
And what if one of the "little guys" (let's call him Frank) is cutting his wife's toes off one-by-one, sticking needles through his children's eyeballs, sawing his dogs in half, chopping the legs off his cattle, disemboweling his cats, dumping vials of acid on his chickens, chopping his ducks' heads off, dowsing his horses with gasoline and burning them alive, throwing lit matches at his neighbor's haystacks at night, and shooting at the townsfolk randomly with a rifle that happens to currently be loaded with blanks???
At what point does it go from being none of the community's business to being a case where someone (maybe even the "robber baron") might say, "Well good golly, folks, maybe we ought to do something about Frank"?
And what if one of the "little guys" (let's call him Frank) is cutting his wife's toes off one-by-one, sticking needles through his children's eyeballs, sawing his dogs in half, chopping the legs off his cattle, disemboweling his cats, dumping vials of acid on his chickens, chopping his ducks' heads off, dowsing his horses with gasoline and burning them alive, throwing lit matches at his neighbor's haystacks at night, and shooting at the townsfolk randomly with a rifle that happens to currently be loaded with blanks???
At what point does it become none of the community's business to being a case where someone (maybe even the "robber baron") might say, "Well good golly, folks, maybe we ought to do something about Frank"?
Because it's not a "community" and the robber baron is not the police.
He's not even a good neighbor. He knocks off anyone who gets in the way of his business profits, and overall he's more dangerous to everyone else than those two guys ever could be.
And what if one of the "little guys" (let's call him Frank) is cutting his wife's toes off one-by-one, sticking needles through his children's eyeballs, sawing his dogs in half, chopping the legs off his cattle, disemboweling his cats, dumping vials of acid on his chickens, chopping his ducks' heads off, dowsing his horses with gasoline and burning them alive, throwing lit matches at his neighbor's haystacks at night, and shooting at the townsfolk randomly with a rifle that happens to currently be loaded with blanks???
At what point does it become none of the community's business to being a case where someone (maybe even the "robber baron") might say, "Well good golly, folks, maybe we ought to do something about Frank"?
NK, intentions are not to use proper testing protocol. Their idea and THREAT is to set of the atomic bomb in the pacific to purposely spread radiation to the region. It's an attack if they do it and would result in an immediate and overwhelming response from the US.
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