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Also if you listen to what he said about empty barrels making the most noise, yearning for a time when women were respected and Gold Star families as well, ... Can't help but wonder if he was getting a few digs in at Trump.
The man has to stay at that job. Duty calls.
You didn't listen very well - he said exactly who the "empty barrel" is - Rep Wilson.
I've heard that families sometimes get a "heads up" from the WH that the President may give them a call soon. I wonder if they got one.
Families always get a call to ask if they will accept a condolence call - John Kelly explained that.
This is the full video instead of a "cherry picked" video.
Families always get a call to ask if they will accept a condolence call - John Kelly explained that.
This is the full video instead of a "cherry picked" video.
So the family gets the "heads up" call and then decides to pal around with Wilson and either puts Trump on speaker or they put two ears up to the phone so they can both hear him.
Also if you listen to what he said about empty barrels making the most noise, yearning for a time when women were respected and Gold Star families as well, ... Can't help but wonder if he was getting a few digs in at Trump.
The man has to stay at that job. Duty calls.
Are you referring to the lawyer that sells US citizenship to wealthy Saudis?
Trump called 4 families that day, likely saying the same words to them (which were just like what Gen. Kelly's best friend said to Kelly when his son died), only this family regard it as offensive, presumably incited by the politically motivated congresswoman.
That's true - Empty Barrel Wilson is now laughing and bragging "I'm a Rock Star".
Excuse me if this has been covered already but why was a member of Congress at the mom's house and why did she listen in on the call?
She was a "friend" of the family. She used them and this situation for her own forum against President Trump. It gave her and her followers one more thing to spin.
Trump got 4 soldiers killed. Where is his support for our heroes?
Bot, you don't squat shyt about what happened in Niger. Why don't you just stay down in your basement and play with your puppy. I do want to know why Obama deployed troops in Niger.
Excuse me if this has been covered already but why was a member of Congress at the mom's house and why did she listen in on the call?
Why is everyone acting like the widow was on a landline and rep Wilson surreptitiously picked up the other end to eavesdrop. The call was on a damn speakerphone, everyone in the car heard it. His Mom has also stated that Trump was disrespectful to her son. That may not have been his intent but that is the way he came off given he had to be shamed into even mentioning the fallen soldiers.
Ms Wilson had a personal relationship with the young man, she didn't just pop on the scene when he was killed. He, along with his brothers were a part of a mentoring program she has run for years to keep young black men off the streets and to better themselves. She has known him since he was a little boy.
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Trump is a chronic f-up. This is just the latest at a terrible time for that family. The man has NO clue.
The widow can have anyone in the car with her that she chooses when she goes to meet her husband's body, which she did. Including the mother and the congresswoman, a family friend from the man's young years. The call was on speakerphone for all to hear. Trump reportedly never spoke her husband's name calling him "your guy" several times. Aagh! He's no longer here but he had a NAME. And Trump probably had it right in front of him.
Had he said just a few kind words, about Johnson's bravery and doing a heroic job, about being grateful for his service, that his family could be proud, etc. he would have left some comfort. Instead, he did what he always does and injected some Trumpian assholism; a warped distortion of what Kelly tried to convey. The family could have swallowed their outrage, hurt and anger, but why should they or the Congresswoman have to? To protect Trump? Puh-leeze! He deserves no quarter and no candycoating of his awful behavior at the sacrifice of others he inflicts himself upon. Most know he does this kind of stuff ALL the time.
Trump knew Kelly didn't choose to talk about the death of his son. Yet, to make TRUMP look better and Obama bad, he lassoed Kelly right into the conversation where he didn't want to be.
Kelly did clarify each president handles these sensitive contacts their own way and that he understood that. He discouraged Trump from making the calls. Had Kelly just gone on to speak about his own loss, it would have left a poignant, compassionate impression with most listeners. Kelly appears to have principles Trump has never had. Hard to believe those, often old school, tenets allow him to abide Trump.
But, Trump has been a grown man for 50 years. Kelly protected him like he was his 5 year old who got in trouble at daycare. When you start rationalizing Trump's despicable behavior, you go over to the dark side. Kelly serves a good purpose as a guide, but when he steps forward to defend Trump in any way other than, "Yes, I did say that to him," he loses credibility with many, many who might see him as a sensible, even keeled man. If Trump has a recording of the call, let him provide it. Somehow his proof gets threatened but never materializes.
For Kelly to attack the congresswoman, a family friend, or normally grieving family is unconscionable. Totally out of line. He can talk Trump into releasing the audio to verify inaccuracies in perception. His voice is valid for his own loss. Not his place to tell someone else on the receiving end of things how they should behave. Nor even his interpretation of what happened in this circumstance. His perception isn't truth. Defending Trump in the way that he did proved that.
Knowing Trump's history, he pressures people to go to bat to cover for his f-ups. AND he will be beating a drum this week to put other people in the crosshairs and to try to extract his own bacon from the fire. True to form he will have another major jerk move in short order to deflect from his deflection. It's what he does.
Bingo.
Kelly did not deny Trump said exactly what the Wilson reported and the mother affirmed.
He did his best to dance around it and I heard several digs at Trump, like a POW blinking out a message. I'd like to think he did this as the price for staying in the office and preventing a nuclear war or some other catastrophe.
But it doesn't change the fact that Kelly traded his honor to cover Trump's butt.
It was Kelly's Collin Powell moment.
Surprising he didn't say he was blessed to serve Trump's agenda.
Last edited by GotHereQuickAsICould; 10-20-2017 at 06:05 AM..
Let me add as far as John Kelly being "stunned" and empty barrels, he needs to look no farther than his boss.
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