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Old 10-31-2017, 09:38 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Who told you FEMA does not have the authority to help them find a reputable company to do the work? Breitbart?
Did you read any of the articles I posted? They are from industry organizations.

PREPA has been running the show. Their procurement people hired Whitefish because no down payment was required. They heard about Whitefish through a Jacksonville electrical contractor group. The head of PREPA has been sourced in the articles.

I expect more of you than just this uninformed banter you are giving me.

See post #3 and #31 (#35 also), and read through those links.

 
Old 10-31-2017, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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This scenario does not fall under typical federal contracts. PREPA is running the show.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto...ower_Authority


Who is paying PREPA's the government-owned corporation of Puerto Rico --this massive repair/rebuild undertaking? As of 2014 the authority carries liabilities of $10.1 billion. PREPA filed for bankruptcy in July 2017
They can't pay for shyte- so whose footing the bill with what authority regulating the funds?
 
Old 10-31-2017, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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Who told you FEMA does not have the authority to help them find a reputable company to do the work? Breitbart?

I don't know if you read the replies or just go on posting away. FEMA cannot help the PR power authority to find suitable companies. It is not their job and they only pay for work done. Of course they can question companies selected like the Whitefish, but they cannot be a search agency.

And if they did you would come here crying that Trump's FEMA selected a company based on nepotism and hence Trump should be impeached because Trump is connected to FEMA. You will somehow find a way to criticize any work and put the blame on Trump and his administration.done
 
Old 10-31-2017, 10:18 AM
 
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If you had read through what I have posted, PREPA had declared bankruptcy 3 months before the hurricanes hit. They have $9 billion in debt.

Whitefish was not requiring a down payment. Other companies stayed away because they were afraid of not getting paid.

PREPA was looking to have FEMA reimburse around $215 million of the $300 million.

FEMA started whining about the contract details, which made Ramos nervous, and he caved in because PREPA would not be able to pay without FEMA's reimbursement.
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up front money.That Whitefish did not require. Who knows how long it will take for any of the contractors to actually be paid.

Prepa, as the utility is known, has said it couldn’t pay for assistance from mainland utilities immediately before or after Hurricane Maria
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Are you contradicting what prepa actually said and arguing that they do in fact have the money in hand to pay the down payment asked by other contractors?
On these, what makes you all think that the mutual aid agreement parties wanted upfront money....

Those agreements do not require a down payment or any upfront money. Everyone knew/knows that PR would be getting FEMA disaster relief to help repair the island and so calling in the mutual aid agreement parties was the best, cheapest, and quickest option. I have worked in this field and know how mutual aid agreements work.

Also, filing bankruptcy doesn't mean that the organization has no money at all.
 
Old 10-31-2017, 10:20 AM
 
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We all know Fed contracts are normally 3 bids in before they make a decision- also very public announcements- and they have to be registered to be a vendor for the US Govt - maybe though GSA not sure of PR status


https://www.usa.gov/find-government-contracts


https://www.fbo.gov/


https://governmentcontractregistrati...iAAEgK7bPD_BwE
Federal contracts for emergency/exigent circumstances do not fall under the guidelines of federal procurement rules/regulations.

They can just go and pick whoever can do the job without a bid in such circumstances; however, it is always best to go with the cooperative purchasing/aid agreements that agencies/organizations already have with other government agencies/organizations as this expedites the process.
 
Old 10-31-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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We all know Fed contracts are normally 3 bids in before they make a decision- also very public announcements- and they have to be registered to be a vendor for the US Govt - maybe though GSA not sure of PR status


https://www.usa.gov/find-government-contracts


https://www.fbo.gov/


https://governmentcontractregistrati...iAAEgK7bPD_BwE

Yep, and there were 7 bidding....not sure what your point was/is?


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Whitefish was one of seven companies that was competing for the work.

How Whitefish landed Puerto Rico's $300 million power contract - Oct. 27, 2017
 
Old 10-31-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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For those who don't know how mutual aid agreements work with FEMA reimbursable projects please see link. From the link:

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Reimbursement, Liability, and Compensation

Aid agreements expedite emergency response by establishing protocols for requesting and providing assistance and determining policies and procedures for reimbursement and compensation in advance, thereby eliminating or lessening the extent to which these issues must be negotiated with each new event. Formalized, pre-event aid agreements can also expedite FEMA reimbursement for services, equipment, and supplies delivered via mutual aid. FEMA will reimburse mutual aid costs if the aid was requested (i.e., no spontaneous responders), the assistance requested directly related to a disaster eligible for FEMA assistance, and occurred under a signed, written mutual aid agreement.2The aid agreement must apply in all situations, not just to events that trigger a federal Stafford Act emergency/disaster declaration or that are eligible for federal aid. Only the entity requesting mutual aid is eligible to apply for grant assistance directly from FEMA; entities providing aid must seek reimbursement from the requesting entity. FEMA will reimburse for verbal aid agreements, but these must be documented in writing post-event and signed by an official of each entity as a condition to receive FEMA reimbursement.
 
Old 10-31-2017, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC View Post
Did you read any of the articles I posted? They are from industry organizations.

PREPA has been running the show. Their procurement people hired Whitefish because no down payment was required. They heard about Whitefish through a Jacksonville electrical contractor group. The head of PREPA has been sourced in the articles.

I expect more of you than just this uninformed banter you are giving me.

See post #3 and #31 (#35 also), and read through those links.
Show me which law denies FEMA the authority to help them find a reputable company to do the work. Stop with the silly personal jabs. They do not make you look any smarter.
 
Old 10-31-2017, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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FEMA cannot help the PR power authority to find suitable companies.
Which law denies then the ability to help them find a company?

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Of course they can question companies selected like the Whitefish, but they cannot be a search agency.
Says who? FEMA is currently searching for contractors to work in PR. Which law are they violating?

Would you like to apply to be a FEMA contractor? https://www.unitedstatesbusinessregi...fema-disaster/

Stop making stuff up.
 
Old 10-31-2017, 10:31 AM
 
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Yep, and there were 7 bidding....not sure what your point was/is?





How Whitefish landed Puerto Rico's $300 million power contract - Oct. 27, 2017
That link doesn't say there was a bid or RFP. Competing doesn't imply a solicitation was issued PREPA could have just been contacted by vendors who wanted to do the work.

I remember another source in the other thread that said that Whitefish won an RFP initially for consulting duties related to hurricane Irma and not repair work for Hurricane Maria.

Will note like I did on the other link that the head of PREPA IMO is the one who caused all these issues as he should never have given them the contract. He probably doesn't have any supply chain, sourcing, or procurement experience. Most executives don't at federal agencies and various others and because of it, they make silly demands on their staff which end up causing them to look bad since they don't like to take advice from people who work in the field.
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