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Old 11-04-2017, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Trieste
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The ultra-rich don't produce anything of value, they simply live off the fruits of others' labor. They feel entitled to your tax dollars, which subsidize their corporations and pay for their wars to get access to markets/resources. When they mess up and their corporations fail, the feel entitled to your tax dollars to pay for their bailouts.

It's time to stop these lazy free loaders from getting rich at our expense. Agree?
totally agree
the difference is between who work and those who speculate/exploit others
not between the rich and the poor per se, that's an oversemplification.
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:06 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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This is the stupidest thing I have heard in this forum. I've seen it twice already.
If it's "so stupid," why is Medicaid paying for 48% of all US births while the US poverty rate is only 13.5%?
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:17 PM
 
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If it's "so stupid," why is Medicaid paying for 48% of all US births while the US poverty rate is only 13.5%?
Because the economy is rigged by corporations. and they charge exorbitant fees so they make the government pay it because people barely get living wages,
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:18 PM
 
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The ultra-rich don't produce anything of value, they simply live off the fruits of others' labor. They feel entitled to your tax dollars, which subsidize their corporations and pay for their wars to get access to markets/resources. When they mess up and their corporations fail, the feel entitled to your tax dollars to pay for their bailouts.

It's time to stop these lazy free loaders from getting rich at our expense. Agree?
The government lives off the fruits of everyone's labor and is bigger and more powerful than any corporation or rich person. I am all for cutting them off.

But every business even a small one with a part time employee profits from those that work for them. To you that is bad? Everything should be non profit and the government gets all the leftovers? That sounds like Cuba.

I agree the bailouts were wrong. But as others have pointed out the top 20% pay 95% of the taxes so it was not the poor bailing them out but the rich bailing out the rich. Your whole point of this thread is totally off from reality.
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:20 PM
 
Location: The 719
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The ultra-rich don't produce anything of value, they simply live off the fruits of others' labor. They feel entitled to your tax dollars, which subsidize their corporations and pay for their wars to get access to markets/resources. When they mess up and their corporations fail, the feel entitled to your tax dollars to pay for their bailouts.

It's time to stop these lazy free loaders from getting rich at our expense. Agree?
I agree. They are called Democrats.

We Americans vote with our feet and our #2 pencils. How bout y'all?
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:24 PM
 
Location: USA
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The government lives off the fruits of everyone's labor and is bigger and more powerful than any corporation or rich person. I am all for cutting them off.

But every business even a small one with a part time employee profits from those that work for them. To you that is bad? Everything should be non profit and the government gets all the leftovers? That sounds like Cuba.

I agree the bailouts were wrong. But as others have pointed out the top 20% pay 95% of the taxes so it was not the poor bailing them out but the rich bailing out the rich. Your whole point of this thread is totally off from reality.
"The government" is us. Or at least that's how it's supposed to work. In most of American history the government was owned by the wealthy, and that is the case today.

The top 20% (1 out of 5 people) is not rich. The top 0.01% is rich.
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:25 PM
 
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That's because it provides... wait for it... well-paying JOBS. The alternate is throwing good money after bad at people who will perpetually sponge off the rest of society.

Let's do a little math...

48% of all US births are paid by Medicaid. In a country that only has a 13.5% poverty rate. The US Census Bureau has determined that, consistently, women on public assistance as a group have a birth rate 3 times higher than those not on public assistance.

Anyone who understands compounded population growth projection will understand that this is a recipe for disaster. It's mathematically unsustainable. Period.

I'll give an example of the future consequences using the following formula (compounded population growth projection) and values, given the rate ratios we already know (non-poor : poor = 1 : 3), after a time period of 50 years (roughly, the time span of two generations), and using a small sample size for the sake of making an easier comparison.

The formula is:

present value x (e)^kt = future value

where e equals the constant 2.71828..., k equals the rate of increase (expressed as a decimal, e.g. 5% would be 0.05), and t is the number of years (or other unit, as long as it is the same as k) over which the growth is to be measured.

Given: 100 births/year. 52 non-poor. 48 poor.
k for the non-poor = 1% = 0.01
k for the poor = 3% = 0.03

Non-poor population after 50 years: 85.73
Poor population after 50 years: 215.12

They began at:
Non-poor: 52%
Poor: 48%

And after 50 years of population growth given the rate ratios we already know, that results in:
Non-poor: 28.5%
Poor: 71.5%

The poor/low-income are WAY overbreeding, encouraged and enabled to do so by all the freebie public assistance benefits they get. Do you recognize the problem for society that presents? What's the plan to PAY for that?

The percentage of the US population that cannot support themselves and their dependents will increase exponentially, while those paying taxes will be increasingly unable to pay enough to support them all. It's completely mathematically unsustainable, and the US's society is already beginning to feel the effects.
Great post!
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:29 PM
 
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Great post!
That made me smile, but this is what I should do:
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:46 PM
 
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Because the economy is rigged by corporations. and they charge exorbitant fees so they make the government pay it because people barely get living wages,
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:47 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Because the economy is rigged by corporations.
Non sequitur. How do corporations cause the welfare-dependent to over-reproduce at a rate of 3 to 1? Especially when 2/3 of the women ON Medicaid are at the childbearing ages of 19-44 and get birth control for free?
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