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Typical crocodile tears from the left "it's for the children <waaaah>". How many hundreds of thousands every single year who use firearms to defend themselves are you willing to sacrifice?My bet is all of them because you don't care about saving lives you care about your agenda.
It's a control issue, but it's not gun control. In all of these issues, including the guys going attacking people with buses or cars, it's issues with self-control. Indeed, the 2nd Amendment was meant for people with self-control (I don't think they had trigger-happy psychopaths in mind when they wrote the 2nd Amendment, whatever the Left might say.) Actually, both the state militia and the individual right to bear arms was actually a check on a government that might itself have issues with self-control.
The point against gun control is that it punishes those who do have self-control and, while it may limit some without self-control, it won't stop others without self-control.
Also, taken to the extreme, gun control could empower someone without self-control like Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, Kim Jung Un, etc to harm millions.
Here's a perfect example of how lack of self-control also kills. This guy proposed to a female he knew and she refused, then he used his bare hands to kill and mutilate her.
The voters elect the people, all you are saying is that people are too "irresponsible" and wrapped in short attention span and selective amnesia, and do not engage to be informed before they vote.
so if you think its a giant cesspool of corruption, then look no further than ones self, as a voter who elects such types. if you think they lie and cheat and prostitute themselves, then why keep electing the same people, over and over based on some "drama and commerical game of advertisement" rather than read, learn the real issue, and hold the people accountable to do the sworn duty... if they don't, then amass a recall....or other means and tools that are necessary including bringing charges and have the person or persons dismissed. When clearn and defined penalty becomes a common knowledge and common means and will of the people to act, then these people will no longer "assume" they can skirt the law, do underhanded things, act like dictators, and push votes in chamber for those who pay them to vote certain ways.
The responsibility of "the people" is what your complain addresses more than the "type" of people they elect, when they know they elect people who are shady, and then stand bickering to keep supporting those who are tainted.
Yeah, I am saying that. Did you ever see any of those man on the street interviews? Some of their answers are literally shocking when it comes to American history and politics.
You don't know me nor were you standing behind me in the voting booth. How the hell do you know how I voted or who I voted for? I did vote though in every election including the primaries since I was 18. One things for sure I would never under any circumstances vote for a Democrat no matter who they run for office.
I know enough about that party that I am against just about everything that they stand for. I'm thoroughly convinced that the Democratic Party because of their policies want to turn this country into a third world socialist aristocracy where they control every aspect of our lives. Having lived in New York State for most of my life convinced me of that.
It's not that I think politicians lie and cheat and prostitute themselves. They do and both parties are guilty of it. Unless you personally know the individual who's running for office. It's becoming increasingly difficult to weed out the good from the bad. The news media is about as biased as they come and except for a very few have become a propaganda wing of the Democrat Party. All you have to do is watch, read and listen to a variety of news sources to confirm this. Even a cursory search on the internet.
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There are thousands of gun control laws on the books, and laws against violent crime. Have they stopped criminals, and crazy people from committing crimes? So take away the EMOTION, and tell me what more laws will do other than restrict the law abiding citizen that wants to protect his/her family. My gun club has a ton of new female members that are first time gun owners. Guns have leveled the playing field for them, and they tell me they feel safer knowing they can defend themselves, and their kids against some creep.
Prohibiting the civilian ownership and sale of high capacity weapons and magazines would significantly reduce, and eventually largely eliminate, ownership. The eventual phase-out of such ownership could be followed by a concomitant phase-out of police ownership of such weapons and their eventual ban of manufacture for anything but military purpose. It would take time, legislative mettle, and is highly unlikely to happen because of entrenched interests, but it would result in a huge reduction in weapons designed to kill mass numbers of people.
This is one of many possible solutions that would reduce mass killing without sacrificing the ability to defend one's home or hunt.
Very few people are advocating a gun ban. Many are putting forth not-emotive common-sense solutions to reduce the ubiquity of high capacity firearms designed for mass killing.
Well fine no ones forcing them to own one. That's their choice. Just as you've got no business telling others they can't own one for any lawful purpose. The Supreme Court already ruled that the 2nd Amendment is indeed an individual right not connected to service in a militia and applies to weapons that are in "common use". Semi automatic rifles and high capacity magazines are ubiquitous. Tens of millions of people own and use them for lawful purposes and they are indeed in "common use".
You seem to forget or conveniently ignore that we already have every conceivable law on the books, criminal penalties intact that address the criminal and negligent mis-use of firearms. Along with every conceivable law that addresses every criminal act imaginable. You talk as if there are none.
Instead of going after people who lawfully own firearms for any legitimate purpose. Perhaps you'd be better off spending your time and energy on dealing with those individuals who are responsible for all the violence. We can start with our broken criminal justice and immigration system that allows violent felons to roam the streets along with terrorists that come from countries that harbor and export them.
I have to laugh when people made comments that the Sutherland Springs shooter's name should have been entered into the federal data base that may have prevented him from buying a gun. When the real issue is why was he ever allowed his freedom in the first place? Especially after he was convicted of beating his wife and infant step son, cracking the poor kid's skull. It was also reported that he had escaped from a mental institution and had a propensity for violence along with cruelty to animals.
As long as monsters such as this can freely roam our streets. You're not going to see people willing to give up their guns any time soon. But that's besides the point the 2nd Amendment's main purpose is to protect the people from a tyrannical government. Because of that a lot of people including myself will never surrender our weapons regardless of any confiscatory laws that are passed. The day that happens will be the day of reckoning.
you wrote: main purpose is to protect the people from a tyrannical government
History has shown us time and time again that when the population is disarmed that the Government presiding over them takes complete control and tyranny reigns free. The Burma, Cambodia, North Korea, Belarus, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Rome, Cuba, Zimbabwe Governments are all modern day examples of tyrannical Governments. These countries also happen to have very little or no gun ownership
Again, I defer back to an earlier post:
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We simply need to make sure our Political system functions and we have enough controls in place that no man, or men can orchestrate a military styled take over of the nation under some autocratic or dictatorial agenda and premise. Therefore, we need to make sure... that No Individual as President, Nor any high ranking official has the ability or power to institute any level of any kind of Martial Law. We need to make assurance it cannot be instituted without Congressional Approval... with votes from Both Parties.. and considering the gamesmanship played to force feed a man on our Supreme Court... then.. we up the vote count necessary to 90 or even 100, or 120...what ever is the number to assure the people of Peace and no usurping our Governance System takes place. and that mandates that members of "both parties mustsupport any choice to engage in any factions of Martial Law, and the Constitution cannot be arbitrarily suspended. "....
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In theory, it was up to the state militias to monitor the Fed govt and decide if and when a govt needed to be removed from power...strangely in our times, when the word militia is used, most people automatically think of anti-govt right wing conspiracy theorists..GEE, kind of odd how that happened, wouldnt you say?
Its common sense that a tyrannical govt would seek to discredit and undermine any potential threat to their power or control, plus its not like a tyrannical authority would ever come out and admit itself to be tyrannical, its always going to try and disguise itself, in this case, its using security, safety as the disguise.
you said: Its common sense that a tyrannical govt would seek to discredit and undermine any potential threat to their power or control
We see that with Trump (everyday!!!)... attacking every element of our Governance system, from the FBI, the Attorney General's Office, The Intelligence Community, and Department and Divisions of Every Type and Form that Make up our Governance, Including "attacking and denigrating " not only the Congress, but any individual member who does not submit and pander to his arrogant belligerent dictations. We see him 'attacking the Press, as if he has absolutely no respect of regard for our Constitution, and then pushing some evil arrogance to try and threatened the license of these Media Agencies.
He pushes E.O. without Advise and Consent being in process to respect the Congress, he just pushes them as "dictatorial intentions", then tries to back it up with "twitter garbage to "incite insurrection" if his dictatorial aims are not submitted to by congress and the public. He has engaged 'every act of misprision's elements of Treason, upon, within and against the American Governance System, and the Republican Congress has sit silent aiding and abetting him with silence and pandering to patronize him and such tyrannical conduct.
American's spend too much time trying to generate a narrative to make it normalized, when it violates everything of what represents a peoples representative democracy. this is the result when the general public is assumed to be "ignorant" as Trump continually makes comment and reference not only to imply such, but to verbally state it.
That's 100% why the American people should be very careful with Trump... and the stuff being pushed and promoted by "Bannon", and the kind of policy mentality that is being driven by "Sessions".
Sadly, American people have made themselves passive to accept the invasion of a Tyrannical Intrusion into our Democracy and sadly have been lulled into complacency, by fiction and cycles of drama, to be side tracked and caught in a web of controversy, while the nation is being "divided" with intent to be conquered by the aspirations of the Dictator Ideals of Trump and the Regime of many factions, from Russian collusion, treasonous activities of aiding and abetting the Russian Agenda upon, within and against the United States of American, and colluding the act of promoting divisive instability of and within our nation; with such as, White Nationalist and Confederate Idealist, who seek by every means to continue to push to recreate an Antebellum Society..... Where the Plutocrats, install a Plutocracy, with a presiding Dictatorial Head Figure who's sole aim is to represent the wealthy, having dominance and dictatorial premise to control and maintain the masses under a system of full Circle Duress, socially and in every civic concern, and dominance over the nation as it desecrates everything the premise of democracy for all, supports.
Sadly.... Our people within this nation, "don't want to think deep enough to see it", because they have been groomed to attack anything that pushes them to move beyond having a "short attention spans", and they fight anything, that seeking to make them aware to not be consumed by "Selective Amnesia".
People should truly "pay attention".... and listen to what is said, and consider carefully all of what is not being said.
There is much people should slow down, pursue and gain the patience to think about, look into, and get beyond being agitated by the impacts of a short attention span, as well as move past the self deluding aims to block out truths that are overt..... It's not fantasy land.... therefore, selective amnesia, does not suffice to block out what is reality, simply because people are afraid to see the truths that are evident in the current day of acts and events.
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Yeah, I am saying that. Did you ever see any of those man on the street interviews? Some of their answers are literally shocking when it comes to American history and politics.
You don't know me nor were you standing behind me in the voting booth. How the hell do you know how I voted or who I voted for? I did vote though in every election including the primaries since I was 18. One things for sure I would never under any circumstances vote for a Democrat no matter who they run for office.
I know enough about that party that I am against just about everything that they stand for. I'm thoroughly convinced that the Democratic Party because of their policies want to turn this country into a third world socialist aristocracy where they control every aspect of our lives. Having lived in New York State for most of my life convinced me of that.
It's not that I think politicians lie and cheat and prostitute themselves. They do and both parties are guilty of it. Unless you personally know the individual who's running for office. It's becoming increasingly difficult to weed out the good from the bad. The news media is about as biased as they come and except for a very few have become a propaganda wing of the Democrat Party. All you have to do is watch, read and listen to a variety of news sources to confirm this. Even a cursory search on the internet.
you said: "I know enough about that party that I am against just about everything that they stand for. I'm thoroughly convinced that the Democratic Party because of their policies want to turn this country into a third world socialist aristocracy where they control every aspect of our lives. Having lived in New York State for most of my life convinced me of that."
It's been said... why invest time to present discovery and details and or perspectives to a man who has his mind made up, especially one who clearly states that no facts are of a matter or concern to him.
But I will say this: there is a reason why the framers of the Constitution began saying:
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
"A more"- infers a continuance in improvements as to what is the "union". The same as the very reason it included the statement "promote the general welfare". (the Constitution include this clause for and as a strong concern about and for the well being of individuals and the American community.) that my friend... is support of a social and civic society...!!! and every society is a form of socialist design, we just happen to be one of a Democratic structure with a monetary system of Capitalism, and we have the "responsibility" to install "regulatory governance" to maintain and manage the stability of a system of Capitalism, therefore without it, there is no "free markets"... because a free market is one that is responsible to adhere itself within and unto the regulatory structure and process of the system, it functions.
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Chance and Change, I see you are using lots and lots of words today. ive yet to find where you said something.
That's no insult, its an honest observation. verbosity does not equal sagacious dialogue.
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