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No, it doesn't work and never will work. Some people are born that way. Nothing more needs to be said.
So basically you're saying that being gay is genetic, yet there are many cases of identical twins, with pretty much identical DNA, and one is gay and other is not, how can that be?
I do not believe people are born gay. It must be a psychological disorder or life experiences that make one turn to this sinful and unnatural way of life. I am a bible believing Christian and I believe what the Bible says about it....it is a sinful way of life. I support any effort to correct people lost in this sinful and dangerous lifestyle and that includes conversion therapy. I realize this opinion is not popular in this millenial driven PC era but while social values may change biblical truth does not.
I have a male friend (very religious) who believes masturbation is shameful. Honestly, as a woman, I can't imagine how a man could possibly taking care of his needs without masturbation at least every once in awhile. Many Christians and others have come to realize that self love and sexual release through masturbating is a natural activity and is not sinful.
I think if a parent telling the teenager son (or daughter) to stop pleasuring him or herself, You might as well yell at a child not to grow.
I call myself a Christian, (although you perhaps won't consider me as one.) I don't like to label people as a true Christian or a fake one. To me, one person's relationship with God is uniquely his or hers. Other people's OPINIONS shouldn't matter.
With regard to homosexuality per se, in Biblical days, there was no concept of sexual orientation. Everyone is assumed to be heterosexual. Yet, people noticed that some men and women had homosexual sex from time to time. This was done publicly mostly in the context of pagan rituals.
Everyone is familiar against the prohibition against male anal sex in Leviticus (18:22), but people leave out the context. It's what the pagans did:
I am the Lord your God. You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices.
Jews and Christians rejected anything they believed was connected to paganism or the service of other gods.
Nowadays, all Christian denominations have dropped their prohibition against sex without intent to conceive. Even the Roman Catholic Church allows for the rhythm method, but many Christians don't seem to understand that the prohibition against homosexuality comes out of the same reasoning.
God doesn't hate homosexual acts. The Bible has to be read in its cultural context.
All these being said, I think conversion therapy is an abusive practice that fails to fix something that was never broken. Instead it makes the people that go through it feel as though there is something wrong with them, and it makes the people that witness it feel as though that person is to be ostracized.
Despite the fact that the American Psychiatric Association strongly denounces efforts to change a person's sexual orientation and former high-profile ex-gay movement leaders have come out against the practice, many conservative evangelicals still believe that ex-gay conversion therapy is a "cure" for homosexual orientation. Groups like Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council, the American Family Association, and the Southern Baptist Convention are among those who are major supporters of the practice.
While there are different types of "conversion therapy" ranging from your stereotypical "pray away the gay camps" to therapy sessions that are reminiscent of AA meetings, most conversion therapy focuses on a combination of counseling and prayer in hopes that an individual's homosexual orientation will become heterosexual. Most people who go through conversion therapy deal with long-reaching psychological issues and are at a higher risk for suicide.
The fact of the matter is most people who go through conversion therapy will eventually revert to a homosexual orientation later in life. While it teaches people to repress their sexual orientation, it does not change it. This has led some evangelicals, who otherwise believe homosexuality is sinful, to denounce conversion therapy and instead demand lifelong celibacy for same-sex attracted individuals.
Whether or not you believe homosexuality is sinful, do you think ex-gay conversion therapy works? Why or why not?
First of all, do you have links to back up your claims?
Are you saying that people that go through conversion therapy are at a higher risk of suicide than those gays that do not, as it is a FACT that gays/lesbians have a higher rate of suicide than the general public.
I believe that conversion therapy should be available if someone wants it. I believe that groups need to leave individuals alone, in order words "butt out". If you don't believe in it or are not interested in it, move on and stop obsessing over it. I can't even count the times conversion therapy has come up. It is almost like some feel it is a "threat" or something.
Many people repress behaviors that they find undesirable for some reason. They should have this choice.
OP, you appear to have a constant thing going on when it comes to the evangelicals. Perhaps that issue should be addressed elsewhere for you to find whatever it is that you are looking for. I do not believe they are a threat to the LGBT community as a whole, perhaps your personal circumstance is the place to address this. If you or anyone else doesn't believe it is sinful, and it isn't illegal, I just don't understand the constant posting on the same darn subject hoping for...........and that is where the issue lies. What is it that you are hoping for here?
There should be a choice, I am tired of people being denied a choice when it comes to everything anymore because others don't want to make that choice:
I don't see how anyone could vote yes without believing their own sexual orientation could be altered by outside forces.
I'm voting "sometimes" based on the knowledge that I gained looking into the subject:
https://www.2knowmyself.com/How_watc...n_make_you_gay This is actually very interesting. I had read a few different articles on the subject of porn addiction and how the marketing works, it was horrifying what the porn industry does and the effect that it has on one's brain. (I have never indulged in porn.)
I think the problem here is that people want to consider it a "black and white" issue when it is most certainly "gray".
I have no way to really know if the conversion therapy works, I have heard it does and that it does not. I do think that people should have a choice. I realize that many in the LGBT community want to take away the choice to undergo the therapy, is it a threat to the community? Wouldn't the real aspect of the threat be that others might expect someone who is happy with their sexuality and don't want to change would be expected by others to undergo the therapy?
I guess, as I am sure that I have impressed, that this subject just keeps getting dragged up here in hopes that the results of a poll/survey/opinions will have changed since last week. That isn't very likely.
If you want the therapy, it should be available as I have linked a couple of situations, "Situational homosexuality" and those pulled into the interest by porn, who I believe could very well benefit from, if not actual "reparative" therapy but from psychological help for sorting it out.
So basically you're saying that being gay is genetic, yet there are many cases of identical twins, with pretty much identical DNA, and one is gay and other is not, how can that be?
1) An individual genome is not a rigid pattern. As an organism develops, genes interact with the environment, and the genes respond. And yes, even identical twins can experience different environments, even if they're raised in the same home, so their genes respond differently.
This feedback loop is easy to see in the case of height, for example. You are born with genes that affect your height. If both your parents are over 6 feet tall, the likelihood is that you also have the potential to be over 6 feet tall. Whether you will reach or even exceed your parents' heights depends on how your genes respond to your individual environment.
It's also true that identical twins raised apart are still more like each other than a pair of non-identical siblings raised apart are.
2) There is no such thing as 'a' gay gene. There are a multitude of genes affecting physical and emotional development. And each of those genes respond to their environment, and that environment includes those other genes. This is why you could clone an Einstein, and still just get an individual who was good at math.
So basically you're saying that being gay is genetic, yet there are many cases of identical twins, with pretty much identical DNA, and one is gay and other is not, how can that be?
Check out
2008 Scientific American piece titled Identical Twins' Genes Are Not Identical.
I've dated an identical twin. My loved one was the older brother. He committed suicide, his twin brother was mentally healthy. How can that be?
One of my best friends is a MARSOC/Recon Marine (elite special force), his twin brother is a computer "nerd" (for lack of a better term) They have completely different personalities and chosen different path in life. They look exactly the same. (both are incredibly handsome, although my friend is just more appealing/sexy because of the way he chooses to carry himself) How can that be?
One of my best friends is a MARSOC/Recon Marine (elite special force), his twin brother is a computer "nerd" (for lack of a better term) They have completely different personalities and chosen different path in life. They look exactly the same. (both are incredibly handsome, although my friend is just more appealing/sexy because of the way he chooses to carry himself) How can that be?
That was my point, people, such as one identical twin and not the other CHOOSES to be gay, there are not gay genes or people "born gay".
A video from Christian Broadcasting Network .com? Like that's believable...
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