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The title of this thread is WRONG. No one ever claimed RAPE. She says he groped her.
I remember a girl in 8th grade who smoked, wore a face full of makeup, had bleached 'trashy' hair, dressed in short skirts and tight sweaters. She had a grown woman's figure. Certainly didn't act or speak like a kid. She dated young soldiers at the local army post. I doubt any of those guys would have guessed she was only 14.
Kids back then were more mature than today's coddled ones with extended childhoods. Forty years ago most girls just wanted to get married to leave home.
Forty years ago girls wanted to go to college, they wanted careers. They didn't just want to get married to leave home.
My great-great Aunt was 16 when she married a 36 year old widower. They were by all accounts happily married until his death.
Time frame matters.
If a 14 year old accuses a 30 something man of rape a few decades ago that is a different kettle of fish, especially if she told others of her rape and other girls had similar stories about this man. I would believe her.
And btw. these fundamentalists defending each others should be voted out of their offices. Or given a sack, whatever works for their positions. But I'm afraid it may be too much to hope for, now when the people are so divided. Some may defend them only bcs they are the same party. (Which is also inexcusable in my book. Unfortunately, I have seen similar situations - fundamentalists coming out of woodwork and assuming influential positions. Then coming out public with their abysmal views. You may say they knew about them in Alabama before. But now they are getting "famous" nationwide. This is a bad sign too, I'm sorry to say. )
When people finish their trudge through the cycle of drama spins and turn, the fact is... this guy should not ascend to a higher position, and the censure that shall serve as prohibiting him taking any higher national office is to be the result.
Then the subject needs to address the broader aspect of sex and youth, and gender and sex and the many matters within that scenario.. which needs to become public concerns to address.
We are a society that has much which needs update and clarity to address reality.
Especially when it comes to reality within and of sex and personal responsibility and how to deal with youth and sex and accountability elements as in "penalty".
There is NO "generic innocence" and we need to stop playing fiction games trying to pretend there is.
Forty years ago girls wanted to go to college, they wanted careers. They didn't just want to get married to leave home.
Truth. Forty years ago I was 13 going on 14. I was definitely on a track for college and a career. I think the poster really means something like 80 years ago.
My great-great Aunt was 16 when she married a 36 year old widower. They were by all accounts happily married until his death.
Time frame matters.
If a 14 year old accuses a 30 something man of rape a few decades ago that is a different kettle of fish, especially if she told others of her rape and other girls had similar stories about this man. I would believe her.
I agree, texan, the time frame is the issue here.
Back in the early 1900s in rural Alabama, nobody would've batted an eye over this sort of thing. It would've been encouraged, even if the girl didn't want to be married off to an older man, because people needed to ensure that their daughters had a means of support (especially if the family was not wealthy). It was pretty common to take a very young wife if your first wife (who was usually closer to your age) had died and you had kids that needed a mother and you might want more kids.
But, the world changed a lot between the early 1900s and the 1980s/1990s. That sort of thing just wasn't okay.
Especially not for a district attorney to be propositioning a 14yo girl.
I'd have slapped the teeth out of his mouth if he'd gotten anywhere near my daughter.
Pervert.
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And btw. these fundamentalists defending each others should be voted out of their offices. Or given a sack, whatever works for their positions. But I'm afraid it may be too much to hope for, now when the people are so divided. Some may defend them only bcs they are the same party. (Which is also inexcusable in my book. Unfortunately, I have seen similar situations - fundamentalists coming out of woodwork and assuming influential positions. Then coming out public with their abysmal views. You may say they knew about them in Alabama before. But now they are getting "famous" nationwide. This is a bad sign too, I'm sorry to say. )
Yeah... I wouldn't pee on Mitch McConnell if he was on fire, but he's becoming one of the moral pillars of the Republican party. That's not good.
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Everyone's maturity level is different. Kids today generally have extended childhoods. So some men who still live at home are probably less emotionally mature than an 18 yr. old who works and has her own apartment.
You know Mrs Fields Cookies? Debbi Fields was a gorgeous teenager who liked to bake when she married a businessman in his thirties. His friends thought he was having a midlife crisis and that she was a bimbo. They went on to have five kids while she built a baking empire. Over twenty years later they divorced.
I believe in innocence until proven guilty. I also believe there should be at least a charge or indictment before you start placing any sanctions.
Destroying lives over just allegations isn't very American.
What's so destructive about sitting out some lacrosse games if you're accused of gang rape?
If they were guilty, would you want them in class or on campus with your daughter? I mean, assuming you have any.
I know I wouldn't.
They were young guys. Taking a break from school to get a trial out of the way wasn't going to RUIN their lives if they were exonerated. Hell, even if they were not exonerated. I feel like they had plenty of time to turn their lives around if they were guilty.
As it is, the thing I hate most about the Duke case is that that woman made it even harder for other women on Duke's campus who WERE raped to speak out.
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