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Old 02-21-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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SO? This kid in Florida wasn't across the football field. He was standing right on them...
but that guy in the hotel in vegas would not have killed anyone............

 
Old 02-21-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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A knife can not do the amount of carnage a person with an AR-15 or similar firearm can do. Ever.
BUT, MORE people are killed with a knife then an AR-15 annually.

Are you concerned with killings or ONLY those used by an AR-15?
 
Old 02-21-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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Handguns are banned but control works there very good. Semi-automatic weapons over a 22 are banned. Why can we so this in America? We had bans in the prohibition era that mostly worked. The Brady Bill worked. Why not install similar ones now? Oh wait, politicians are beholden to their Donnie class masters. Just ask Mr. McConnell and Mr. Trump who had HUGE contributions from the NRA.
Prohibition did not work, bootleggers were everywhere and a bunch of people died from bad alcohol.


And the Brady bill is still in effect.
 
Old 02-21-2018, 10:36 AM
 
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Handguns are banned but control works there very good. Semi-automatic weapons over a 22 are banned. Why can we so this in America? We had bans in the prohibition era that mostly worked. The Brady Bill worked. Why not install similar ones now? Oh wait, politicians are beholden to their Donnie class masters. Just ask Mr. McConnell and Mr. Trump who had HUGE contributions from the NRA.
" We had bans in the prohibition era that mostly worked."

If it worked so well why was it eliminated?

"Oh wait, politicians are beholden to their Donnie class masters."

More childish accusations.

And some wonder why we CAN'T have honest adult discussions.
 
Old 02-21-2018, 10:43 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Back to the subject:
The so-called "gun control" advocates have spent the last several decades proving (inadvertently) that their half measures do not work. "Assault weapons" bans, waiting periods, "gun free" zones, background checks, and all the rest rarely reduce the crime rate, and often result in an increase instead. And yet they keep coming back and saying we need "just a little more" of their "reasonable restrictions".

When they point to countries whose results they like, they invariably point to places like England, Japan, Australia, etc. - countries that have almost completely banned guns from their subjects.

Take the hint.

In fact, complete bans of all guns are the only things that have ever reduced "gun crimes". And they must be accompanied by ruthless confiscation. Advocates who say they want "just some reasonable regulations", know by now they won't work. The only thing they could now be intending, is an eventual complete ban on all guns. While pretending they will do only just a little, to fool you into going along with "just a little". And then next year, just a little more.

Their total gun bans must be accompanied by SWAT teams going door to door to every house and apartment in America, taking people's guns whether they want to give them up or not. They know that many people will object to giving up their guns voluntarily... but a gun ban won't work unless everybody turns in their guns.

Advocates who say they want a few "reasonable regulations", are either astonishingly ignorant of the results of their own policies, or are lying to you.
 
Old 02-21-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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I'm not dismissing anything.

I'm telling you what you all seem to refuse to believe.....

That banning the AR15 is not going to stop or even significantly effect the number of school shootings.

Sure....saving 10% has value but you cannot prove in any way that this would be the result.

It's wishful thinking on your part at best.
There are dozens of other guns they can use to kill just as many. Go after the cause, it isn't the gun.
 
Old 02-21-2018, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Prohibition did not work, bootleggers were everywhere and a bunch of people died from bad alcohol.
Shiners always died from moonshine deaths whether we prohibited alcoholic beverages or not. https://www.tennessean.com/story/new...rom=new-cookie

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And the Brady bill is still in effect.
Not that we'll due to the gun show loophole as well as enforcement in general most of the enforcement prevents suicide, not homicide or murder.
 
Old 02-21-2018, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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" We had bans in the prohibition era that mostly worked."

If it worked so well why was it eliminated?

"Oh wait, politicians are beholden to their Donnie class masters."

More childish accusations.

And some wonder why we CAN'T have honest adult discussions.
They are though. Just face the facts that politicans only side with what the donor class wants from them. The NRA put 50m in 2016 election for 7 races and only lost one. They also paid for many Floridian politicans. How does that not play into the debate.

And some wonder why we can't hold an honest adult conversation...
 
Old 02-21-2018, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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There are dozens of other guns they can use to kill just as many. Go after the cause, it isn't the gun.
The guns are the tool, and a very effective one considering the use of semi-automatics. The issue is the cause isn't single or exclusive to one entity and some have to look at themselves in the mirror, the parents.
 
Old 02-21-2018, 11:36 AM
 
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You gun nuts just don't see the bigger picture.

The NRA wants you have to shootouts between "good" and "bad" guys. If they make everyone think everyone needs a gun good or bad, then everyone goes buys a gun and increases their profits.

Are you really that stupid to not figure it out by now?
So why don't you tell us what the bigger picture is?
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