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Old 12-20-2017, 07:03 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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(Unintended) consequences: moving the US to a territorial tax system will encourage companies to move their profits off shore. This was an option available only to the big guys in the past, but will increasingly encourage more corporations to exit the US space. MAGA!


If that is the case, I see great opportunity for me in the coming market, right here in the USA.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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"for authorizing spending which will add $10 trillion to the debt?"

What are you going to say when that does NOT happen?

Keep in mind the left said the SAME thing for the W. Bush tax cuts and the debt went DOWN after it took affect.
Can you give some references for your claim that the debt went down during the Bush W. years? The Wiki page shows a fairly dramatic increase in the debt in the Bush years. But, of course, Wiki is not super-reliable, so perhaps you can supply some good data to prove Wiki wrong?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...es_public_debt

This chart, for example, shows the debt ratio increasing during the Bush years (+2,132 and +3,3971):

1985–1989 Reagan Republican 43.8% 53.1% +1,050 +9.3
1989–1993 Bush Sr. Republican 53.1% 66.1% +1,483 +13.0
1993–1997 Clinton Democratic 66.1% 65.4% +1,018 -0.7
1997–2001 Clinton Democratic 65.4% 56.4% +401 -9.0
2001–2005 Bush Republican 56.4% 63.5% +2,135 +7.1
2005–2009 Bush Republican 63.5% 84.2% +3,971 +20.7

From what I can tell, most economists are predicting that this tax overhaul will increase the debt. Again, I would be interested in your references for thinking that this bill will not increase the debt.

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Old 12-20-2017, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I thought you would be tired of fascism by now.
Should we all keep doing the same thing and expect something different to come of it?
We are tired of fascism. After living under it for the past year we're voting it out next November.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:06 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I can't disagree.


Cash, gold and bitcoin transactions, will be the way around anything government implements.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:07 AM
 
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Class warfare, fueled by economic ignorance, is the principal component of the Democrats' stock in trade.

Class warfare, fueled by economic ignorance (trickle down economics), racism, and religious fundamentalism are the Republicans stock and trade.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Metairie, LA
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"for authorizing spending which will add $10 trillion to the debt?"

What are you going to say when that does NOT happen?

Keep in mind the left said the SAME thing for the W. Bush tax cuts and the debt went DOWN after it took affect.

Gov't revenues INCREASED to HISTORICAL RECORDS.
Reagan's tax cuts did increase revenues, but the overall debt roughly doubled over those 8 years.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-b...ercent-3306296
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:09 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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We are tired of fascism. After living under it for the past year we're voting it out next November.


We have lived under Fascism since 1913.
What you saw in 2009-2017, was the transition to Communism.

This past year has actually been refreshing, to reverse that trend.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:09 AM
 
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Class warfare, fueled by economic ignorance (trickle down economics), racism, and religious fundamentalism are the Republicans stock and trade.
You mean "Democrats' stock ans trade," right?
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:10 AM
 
Location: DFW
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(Unintended) consequences: Mortgage applications dropped 5% from last month and are down 8% yoy as buyers react to the mortgage interest deduction changes in the Trump Tax. Home ownership, once the core of the American dream and the best way for Americans to accumulate the "nest egg" will now become a thing of the past. As home ownership fades, ancillary industries such as home improvement will take a nose dive.
Mortgage applications dropped due to seasonal demand and the refinancing of higher interest loans has bottomed out. Almost every loan that could be refi'd to lower rates have been done and that has been a huge volume the last 5 years.

The Mortgage tax deduction is not a consideration for the average Buyer. It is nothing but a nice Perk.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Florida
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"for authorizing spending which will add $10 trillion to the debt?"

What are you going to say when that does NOT happen?
Not sure what Rand Paul will say if it does not happen, but according to his math, it will. He made his comments in January, and they were not related to this tax bill, but to the overall spending plan put forth by the GOP. Any potential increase by the tax bill would be on top of the $10T.
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