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The lawyer pleading guilty is the son-in-law of a Russian oligarch. His law firm was accused of white washing the trial against Yanukovych's political trial that sent her to prison. So yeah there are Russian connections.
If he's pleading guilty, he's cut a deal. He's got info on someone that Mueller wants.
Russian oligarch family ties.....these are the guys that trump's been laundering money for since US banks wouldn't lend to him after his numerous bankruptcies.
What astonishes me in all of this, is how much of the Mueller investigation thus far seems to be, at least superficially, about efforts by American private citizens to profit from the destruction of Yulia Timoshenko. The recent string of indictments almost reads like Ms. Timoshenko's revenge.
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Why did they all lie if they were doing nothing wrong?
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...Why would all these people risk so much if he isn't guilty? I'm not a lawyer but common sense would say, he did something. These aren't stealing cookies out the cookie jar lies.
Because even if there’s no wrongdoing, a person of prominence wishes to maintain his/her reputation as being aboveboard, fair, reasonable and prudent. If accused of something daft, the natural inclination is to deny it. If accused of any sort of conceivable friendly interaction with someone tainted, the natural inclination is to deny it. Then, when cornered, one either feels insulted – and becomes even more vehement in one’s denial; or, one starts to worry that the initial statement would be bent as looking insincere – and thus becomes even more intransigent, in sticking to the original story. Eventually, one finds oneself escalating to an outright lie, even if no such thing was intended.
I won't pretend to defend anyone in the Trump administration, nor am I all that displeased with the events noted in this or related threads. But I do wish to emphasize that 18 USC 1001 is notoriously thorny. Guilt or innocence are very much situational.
The cookie-jar vignette is an interesting one, touching on the issue of materiality. When is a false statement material? A subtle point. To qualify under 18 USC 1001, the false statement has to be proven to be of direct relevance to the investigation. So, if the lawyer in question lied about, say, having an affair - is that material? Hard to say.
It's a little-noticed, or even known, fact to most of America, but virtually all countries engage in a lot of measures to influence U.S. politics and policy, and rarely confine those efforts to those undertaken by their embassy or consulate staff. Unpalatable though many Americans might find it, few D.C. public affairs consultants operate without ever being approached about working on behalf of some kind of foreign interest, and most who are approached will accept because in general, the money is good and the work can be interesting.
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Given the "America First" ploy that Trump continues to rally for, why isn't he backing sanctions against Russia?
There is clear evidence of interference from Russia by the FBI. Even if Trump didn't collude, why isn't he threatening that big red nuclear button on Russia? They are interfering with a democratic society. US presidents have warned Putin before with less evidence.
When it all adds up, he looks guilty. From the resistance to sanctions, having his family lie to cover up other lies, failing to disclose his financial records....so many things. Not just one thing but when you add everything together, he is guilty of something involving Putin and Russia.
Mueller knows way more than he can allow the public to have access to, on this investigation. Mueller is buried in evidence. Just think, there is something negative every day about Trump's administration, imagine what Mueller knows. I know how secret clearances work because I had one so I believe Mueller isn't wasting his time.
The guy blasts Oprah because other people wanted her to run for president but he doesn't say anything negative about Putin. Most people can add 2+2.
It's a little-noticed, or even known, fact to most of America, but virtually all countries engage in a lot of measures to influence U.S. politics and policy, and rarely confine those efforts to those undertaken by their embassy or consulate staff. Unpalatable though many Americans might find it, few D.C. public affairs consultants operate without ever being approached about working on behalf of some kind of foreign interest, and most who are approached will accept because in general, the money is good and the work can be interesting.
That doesn't erase the many lines that can crossed in this. It's an old story, the money is good to the point it corrupts.
Just an honest fair question... Can you explain why you don't believe he is actually guilty? Truly, I'm trying to understand.
My logic is if a person is innocent, they don't need to cover up, lie and have other people around them lie and delete emails, destroy files etc. These are not little lies, these are lies that can send them to prison, crush their careers, destroy their families way of life. Why would all these people risk so much if he isn't guilty? I'm not a lawyer but common sense would say, he did something. These aren't stealing cookies out the cookie jar lies.
Trump lies about what suit he wore -- he lies out of habit not out of any great necessity to cover his butt.
You know he might be guilty of covering up or not completely being honest but I don't know.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but the Trumps have been doing business with Russia for quite a while. If this investigation is going where I think it's going - well, the farther back these entanglements existed, the worse the news will be for Trump.
Yeah, it's inconceivable that a businessman, any businessman, with an international business would be doing business there.
I eat cornflakes and so does my neighbor who is from India. He works for a company that sells medicine to consumers. Some of those consumers have Russian relatives. One of those Russian relatives has DNA traced back to the same regional origins as Vadamir Putin. Therefore I must be a Russian spy out to alter the US elections in conspiracy to defeat Hillary Clinton.
Fortunately for all of us, Mueller's reasoning power is just a tad more sophisticated than this.
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