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Old 02-28-2018, 01:18 PM
 
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This story makes no sense.

He wouldn't open the door so the kids reported him to the principal?
The principal shows up and *hears* a gunshot?

No threats no conversations kids heard nothing. But they report him to principal? Was it even his classroom?

Too little reporting, no details, timeline of *events* makes no sense.
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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...I think it's terrible that teachers even have to think about arming themselves against students or former students. What a sickening scenario that is.

Agreed, though they wouldn't have to be thinking about it if this asinine idea wasn't being proposed by prominent politicians.
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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My 6th grade teacher( late 60's) had an emotional meltdown in front of the class. She took a pistol out of her purse and placed in on her desk. The class froze in their seats.

She eventually propelled her head through the glass window in the door. Nuns took the class to the adjacent church and told us to pray for the teacher.

Parents were never informed of the incident. I told my mother who laughed and told me to knock it off.
Wow. That's crazy.

Makes me feel grateful to have gone to school in the ghetto. At least we had metal detectors, cops, dogs, etc to keep us safe from the teachers.

Public schools 1
Parochial schools 0

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Old 02-28-2018, 01:23 PM
 
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Good guy with a gun.
Oh, you know him? You know his motives and his state of mind? Tell us more. I know plenty of teachers from my past and present who would never be considered "good" people. Ones profession does not make them "good" or "bad" for that matter.
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:24 PM
 
Location: My House
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The NRA is a separate debate, they aren't the 2nd Amendment just because they fight for it, and just because they fight for it doesn't mean anyone who fights for the 2nd Amendment needs to support/fight for the NRA. Its a false equivalent.
I didn't bring them up in the first place.

They fight for the loosest possible interpretation of the 2nd because firearms manufacturers need to sell guns.

People hear their rhetoric and get duped into thinking that that stance is a smart stance.

It is only if you are in the gun selling business.

If you are an average citizen who desires gun ownership and a safer world for your family, you have to think about common-sense laws and how to design those while maintaining respect for the 2nd Amendment.

Both of these things are not mutually exclusive.
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:24 PM
 
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Call me crazy but I'd think that any shooting in any school would be a pretty hot topic.

Here's my position. Though I am a supporter of second amendment rights, I don't feel comfortable with the idea of armed teachers, mainly because I don't like the idea of our schools being awash with guns. I think it would be too easy for a student to get hold of a gun in this case. I also think that it's sort of a conflict of interest to expect a teacher to shoot a student. But that's just my personal opinion - I'll let the schools sort this out. I do know a lot of teachers and not a one of them likes the idea of teachers carrying guns to school.

I do think that before we consider that, we might take a long hard look at security in our schools. Seems that in many districts, the cost of administration salaries is a burden, but one that's being carried. I'd bet that most parents would be happy to have the administration salaries cut by, say, 10 percent and have those funds diverted into better security systems for the campuses. And better mental health screening at the campus level.

I think it's terrible that teachers even have to think about arming themselves against students or former students. What a sickening scenario that is.

I completely agree. And to know that there is nothing to protect them but a "gun free zone" sign.


Scary stuff indeed.
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:25 PM
 
Location: My House
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This story makes no sense.

He wouldn't open the door so the kids reported him to the principal?
The principal shows up and *hears* a gunshot?

No threats no conversations kids heard nothing. But they report him to principal? Was it even his classroom?

Too little reporting, no details, timeline of *events* makes no sense.
If you needed to get into a classroom or what have you, and your teacher had you locked out and was behaving strangely, who would you tell?
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:26 PM
 
Location: My House
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I completely agree. And to know that there is nothing to protect them but a "gun free zone" sign.


Scary stuff indeed.
Nobody's stupid enough to think a sign is a protection. It is simply a stated notice.

Most schools have armed resource officers. Parkland had 4 of them.

Which is more than a good many schools throughout the country.

Arming teachers is a terrible idea.
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:27 PM
 
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Life is dangerous, glad people are trying to preserve our right to be able to defend ourselves.
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The NRA is only trying to preserve the right of firearms manufacturers to make more money.

They don't care about anyone's rights or they'd support reasonable gun legislation.

They only support "sell as many guns as possible" legislation.
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I didn't bring them up in the first place.

They fight for the loosest possible interpretation of the 2nd because firearms manufacturers need to sell guns.

People hear their rhetoric and get duped into thinking that that stance is a smart stance.

It is only if you are in the gun selling business.

If you are an average citizen who desires gun ownership and a safer world for your family, you have to think about common-sense laws and how to design those while maintaining respect for the 2nd Amendment.

Both of these things are not mutually exclusive.
So in red right there, thats not you bringing the NRA into the conversation?
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:27 PM
 
Location: alt reality
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So after we have armed teachers, who protects students from a deranged teacher with a gun?
Oh, just wait until those parent vs teacher shootouts
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