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Old 03-03-2018, 03:48 PM
 
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I was listening to far-left talk host Thom Hartmann a couple days ago. After trashing Trump on several matters, he was very supportive re Trump's proposals of steel tariffs. I guess Hartmann thinks it's a benefit to union steel workers, which he presumably considers friends/allies.
You should consider union labor to be your ally too.

The huge corporatocracy certainly aren’t your allies. You’re locked out of their club until you get a couple hundred million.

 
Old 03-03-2018, 03:48 PM
 
Location: 49th parallel
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Just get ready for everything you use that has steel or aluminum in it to cost more. Who's going to pay for the trade war? We are! Are you going to stop buying cars because the steel in it costs more? Nope. You'll just pay more. Soda pop and beer? Aluminum cans. They'll cost more.

Why? Because that's what happens when tarriffs get put on. You won't magically have cheap steel products from the USA; the tarriffs will just raise the prices to whatever price the US can produce steel for; that's what a tarriff does to the consumer. It's the consumer who gets hurt; don't forget that.
 
Old 03-03-2018, 03:51 PM
 
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We should make steel and aluminum in our country.
Yep. ALL of it.
 
Old 03-03-2018, 03:51 PM
 
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He's started talking "Reciprocal Taxes" which is where he'll head with this and I agree.

When China slaps a 90% tariff on Harley Davidson we should hit back with the same.
So if China punishes it’s people with a tax on US made products, we should punish our people with a tax on China’s? Who does this war benefit again?
 
Old 03-03-2018, 03:52 PM
 
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Just get ready for everything you use that has steel or aluminum in it to cost more. Who's going to pay for the trade war? We are! Are you going to stop buying cars because the steel in it costs more? Nope. You'll just pay more. Soda pop and beer? Aluminum cans. They'll cost more.

Why? Because that's what happens when tarriffs get put on. You won't magically have cheap steel products from the USA; the tarriffs will just raise the prices to whatever price the US can produce steel for; that's what a tarriff does to the consumer. It's the consumer who gets hurt; don't forget that.
Good. I can afford to pay more, and so can you.
 
Old 03-03-2018, 03:53 PM
 
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Trump does not want a trade war.

Trump just wants respect for our country and our country's producers from our trade partners. If they will respond by treating us as they want to be treated - which means more evenhandedly than what is happening now - then we can return to our regularly tuned programing and this will be over.

This is about holding our trading partners accountable for their responsibilities in our trade relationships, which previous administrations of both parties have failed to do. It should have been done all along. It needs to be done now. The transition is sure to be a little bumpy, but the goal makes perfect sense to anyone who is not a globalist first and an American second, or just anti-American with regards to these matters.
 
Old 03-03-2018, 03:54 PM
 
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We should make steel and aluminum in our country.
I agree.
 
Old 03-03-2018, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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We should make steel and aluminum in our country.
We do not have sufficient bauxite ore to make our own aluminum. We'd have to import it.
 
Old 03-03-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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We should make steel and aluminum in our country.
Not if it can be done cheaper elsewhere.
 
Old 03-03-2018, 04:06 PM
 
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I'm not afraid of tariffs or a trade war. America should do something about trade deficits and unfair trade practices, and losing our industries, jobs, tax base and running up debt. I don't believe these trade deficits help consumers, at least not enough to offset losses in other areas mentioned. The one-way free trade most help foreign countries, corporations by offsetting loss onto the public.
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