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But you have to understand that the gun whacks know that the odds of this happening to them or to theirs are astonishingly small. Couple that with the reality that they could not care less what happens to someone else, it's no surprise that they are not going to be swayed by that argument. This is like reasoning with a spoiled child; they want their guns with no restrictions or curbs - and by God they are going to have them. At any cost.
That being the case then those odds apply to everyone. If the odds are so astonishingly small and I agree with you 100% then you've just lost your argument on the need for additional gun laws. There are already thousands of federal, state and local restrictions and curbs regarding both the criminal and negligent misuse of firearms. Along with laws that address every conceivable criminal act imaginable. You seem to imply that there are none?
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11,994 people were killed by guns in a manner that was not suicide or 0.46 percent (less than half of one percent) of all deaths.
Therefore, you could say - in a grossly inaccurate, roundabout way - that the overall odds are 0.46 percent.
However, let’s drill that down a little more. What circumstances do you mean? Do you mean purposefully murdered or accidentally shot?
Homicide by firearm - 11,208 in 2013 - would account for roughly 0.432 percent of all deaths.
Accidental shootings (whether a person accidentally shoots themselves or is accidentally shot by someone else) would account for 0.03 percent of all deaths.---Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Since smoking and alcohol abuse kill far more Americans than by firearm, maybe we should look to banning those activities and substances as well. Damn it, I almost forgot! We already tried that with alcohol. How well did that work out?
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I argued that point with that idiot in another topic in this forum.( Another School Shooting Maryland Post #449) Instead of minding his own business and paying attention to what is happening within his own country he'd rather stick his nose into what's happening in ours.
That is MY right, and nothing changes the fact that 20'000 people (or so) are shot to death EVERY YEAR in the US, the UK has about 500 murdered IN TOTAL of which around 70 are shot, THAT my friend is the shameful truth of gun crime 'over there', now are you going to actually come up with any suggestions as to how to lower that enormous number or are you going to continuously scrabble around trying to ludicrously suggest that its 'better' to have 20'000 gun murders than to change the law? You might as well try and persuade me that fighting fire with petrol is a good idea! lol.
It's a strategic gameplan of a group of power-hungry Leftist who are using a bunch of scared kids to reposition themselves in order to acquire more power.
Why is this so hard for some people to see?
I agree, and why did the people that funded this march go out of their way to hide their identitys via a 501 C status. They are from Encino Ca, hmm, same as SOROS last one when he did the Charlotteville March? HMmmm
Those sporting automatic rifles at the Golden Corral are not going to protect the citizenry from government tyranny or keep our nation from being taken over by another country.
Get real.
That may have worked back in the day when the Redcoats marched in formation and used single shot rifles, but it ain't going to do jack **** against cyberwarfare, drones with missiles, F-16s, ...
If worse comes to worse, there will be sporadic Waco standoffs here and there until Walmart runs out of bullets.
No I think you'd better "Get real".
I've argued this point many times to those who think that the military and police would slaughter their own family, friends and neighbors. Destroying their own homes and neighborhoods in the process. There would be absolutely nothing for them to come home to. It is more than likely that they would turn against the government that ordered them to do so.
A lot of gun owning Americans are both active duty and retired law enforcement and military personnel who firmly believe in the 2nd Amendment and "Constitutional Law". Add to that the millions of us who know how to use firearms. Not to mention the quantity of guns and ammunition that are currently in private hands. We would indeed be a force to be reckoned with.
Believe me, if Democrats thought they could do it successfully they would have done it when they had control over all three branches of government. But because of those reasons they know it will be the end of this country as we know it. No one will come out of this unscathed.
Instead the "Left" will try and dis-arm us incrementally one step at a time. Hoping that gradually over time and generations their goal of civilian dis-armament and the establishment of a socialist aristocracy of which they have absolute power and control will be accomplished.
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Stefan Molyneux said it best:
"If you are for gun control, then you're not against guns, because guns will be needed to disarm people. You'll need to go around, pass laws, and shoot people who resist, kick in doors, and throw people in jail, and so on; rip up families, just to take away guns.
So it's not that you're anti-gun, because you'll need the police's guns to take away other people's guns, so in actuality, you are very pro-gun, you just believe that only the government (which is of course so reliable, honest, moral, virtuous, and forward-thinking) should be allowed to have guns.
So there's no such thing as gun control, there's only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small political elite and their minions.
Gun control is a misnomer."
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. Their very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be ‘cured’ against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. —C. S. Lewis, “God in the Dock”
That is MY right, and nothing changes the fact that 20'000 people (or so) are shot to death EVERY YEAR in the US, the UK has about 500 murdered IN TOTAL of which around 70 are shot, THAT my friend is the shameful truth of gun crime 'over there', now are you going to actually come up with any suggestions as to how to lower that enormous number or are you going to continuously scrabble around trying to ludicrously suggest that its 'better' to have 20'000 gun murders than to change the law? You might as well try and persuade me that fighting fire with petrol is a good idea! lol.
Your numbers are just not true..
Suicides are over 65% of gun deaths. Take the guns away, they will slit their wrists or use pills or something else. And , most of our murders are in two cities, Detroit and Chicago.. Over 300 Million guns in this country, the numbers are insignificant as you pick parts of the puzzle to show a much bigger lie being pushed by the left.
And no law is going to stop crazy and criminal. Nothing. If a criminal or crazy person wants to kill, they just need to find another tool. Do you not get that?
If your Boward County Sheriffs department, School Board (not having him arrested for having ammunition on school grounds, instead, just expelling him, therefore keeping crime stats down to bring richer people into county) had done their jobs, and the FBI, he would have never had an opportunity to buy a rifle. But they failed, and you fail to see that as the one HUGE part of the shooting in that school. So many red flags, and you go after the 2A. FAIL
LIBERALS bleeding hearts failed those kids.
Starting in 1962, by means of atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair, your good ole supreme court threw God out of schools, now you got metal detectors, smoke grenades, even the national guard to fill the vacuum. The God of the Bible is not mocked.
As for atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair, look at her end.
"O'Hair's death was as dramatic and controversial as her life. In August 1995, at age 76, she mysteriously disappeared, along with two of her family members, son Jon Garth Murray, 40, and granddaughter Robin Murray O'Hair, 30, who was William's estranged daughter. When they were first reported missing, many thought the trio had run off with funds stolen from American Atheists; about $500,000 in gold coins were also missing from the organization. It wasn't until six years later, in early 2001, that their remains were discovered on a 5000-acre Texas ranch. The killings were particularly grisly--O'Hair had been dismembered and her body was only identified by matching the serial number on her metal hip replacement. David Waters, a former employee of O'Hair's organization, was convicted of the plot to extort and murder them. He died in prison of cancer in early 2003."
Your numbers are just not true..
Suicides are over 65% of gun deaths. Take the guns away, they will slit their wrists or use pills or something else. And , most of our murders are in two cities, Detroit and Chicago.. Over 300 Million guns in this country, the numbers are insignificant as you pick parts of the puzzle to show a much bigger lie being pushed by the left.
And no law is going to stop crazy and criminal. Nothing. If a criminal or crazy person wants to kill, they just need to find another tool. Do you not get that?
If your Boward County Sheriffs department, School Board (not having him arrested for having ammunition on school grounds, instead, just expelling him, therefore keeping crime stats down to bring richer people into county) had done their jobs, and the FBI, he would have never had an opportunity to buy a rifle. But they failed, and you fail to see that as the one HUGE part of the shooting in that school. So many red flags, and you go after the 2A. FAIL
LIBERALS bleeding hearts failed those kids.
Of course it varies slightly from year to year but I think the numbers are fair:-
So what are you (people in the US) going to do about it? Because as far as I can see something has to be done, sticking ones 'head in the sand' doesn't seem to be an option when we are talking about lives, particularly thousands of lives!
That is MY right, and nothing changes the fact that 20'000 people (or so) are shot to death EVERY YEAR in the US, the UK has about 500 murdered IN TOTAL of which around 70 are shot, THAT my friend is the shameful truth of gun crime 'over there', now are you going to actually come up with any suggestions as to how to lower that enormous number or are you going to continuously scrabble around trying to ludicrously suggest that its 'better' to have 20'000 gun murders than to change the law? You might as well try and persuade me that fighting fire with petrol is a good idea! lol.
oh please..you numbers are way off
20,000 in usa....NOT....8100 is more like the number.....yes high....but not the fib you just told
only 70 shot in England??? another fib hmm
London, England...guns are highly controlled...... yet apr16-apr17.... 2,544 gun crime offences....and Knife crime also high with 12,074 recorded offences
20,000 in usa....NOT....8100 is more like the number.....yes high....but not the fib you just told
only 70 shot in England??? another fib hmm
London, England...guns are highly controlled...... yet apr16-apr17.... 2,544 gun crime offences....and Knife crime also high with 12,074 recorded offences
That is the total amount of murders in the WHOLE UK, by ANY means, trying to claim the US is safer is simply laughable! The stats are not even close, not even close to being close!
That is shameful, whats more shameful are the people in the US that refuse to do anything about this!
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