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Old 05-07-2018, 01:27 PM
 
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Who determines what is a decent wage, fair wage, or living wage? What does that mean? Is it the same all over? Is it "fair" if it forces an employer to fire some of the employees to stay in business? Is it "fair" if it forces a business to close as they can no longer be profitable"

What is the purpose of a business to exist, and operate?

The same factors that determine it now ,is the cost of living the same everywhere?
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Old 05-07-2018, 01:37 PM
 
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The illegal aliens are. Americans aren't
They aren’t or they aren’t allowed?
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Old 05-07-2018, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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They aren’t or they aren’t allowed?
I honestly have never met an American citizen who wants to work for so little money, even if they are unskilled. First job I had at minimum wage back in high school (when it was $5.15/hr), I didn't think it was enough and wanted more, and I was 17 at the time
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Old 05-07-2018, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I honestly have never met an American citizen who wants to work for so little money, even if they are unskilled. First job I had at minimum wage back in high school (when it was $5.15/hr), I didn't think it was enough and wanted more, and I was 17 at the time
Ever heard of Uber or Lyft ?

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According to a recent study, Uber and Lyft drivers earn a median hourly profit of $8.55; study authors revised this figure on Monday from an earlier amount reported last week of $3.37 per hour.

The academic research, which was conducted at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Center for Energy and Environmental Policy Research, determined that, after surveying more than 1,100 drivers, many drivers are, in fact, losing money. For at least 41 percent of drivers, hourly profit is below the minimum wage in their state.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-report-finds/
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Old 05-07-2018, 02:02 PM
 
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Ever heard of Uber or Lyft ?

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According to a recent study, Uber and Lyft drivers earn a median hourly profit of $8.55; study authors revised this figure on Monday from an earlier amount reported last week of $3.37 per hour.

The academic research, which was conducted at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Center for Energy and Environmental Policy Research, determined that, after surveying more than 1,100 drivers, many drivers are, in fact, losing money. For at least 41 percent of drivers, hourly profit is below the minimum wage in their state.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-report-finds/
Yep, I know a handful of people who quit their Uber jobs, it was just not worth it to them.

If a business has to rely on people working for peanuts in order to be successful, thats not exactly a good business model imo.
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Old 05-07-2018, 02:16 PM
 
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Yep, I know a handful of people who quit their Uber jobs, it was just not worth it to them.

If a business has to rely on people working for peanuts in order to be successful, thats not exactly a good business model imo.
Did you look up a company called Walmart?
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Old 05-07-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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You're WRONG. It's certainly not so in Oklahoma. There, it's against state law for a city or county to raise the minimum wage, which is $7.25 an hour.
Oklahoma is a part of America? You could have fooled me.
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Old 05-07-2018, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Yep, I know a handful of people who quit their Uber jobs, it was just not worth it to them.

If a business has to rely on people working for peanuts in order to be successful, thats not exactly a good business model imo.
It’s a good deal for these companies.. they don’t have to buy company cars or pay gas etc .

As independent contractors the drivers aren’t even entitled to min wage .

But funny you hardly hear about them being bad , because Silicon Valley is very liberal .
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Old 05-07-2018, 02:26 PM
 
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All that these restaurants are showing is that they have no desire ever to give their employees any sort of raise the entire time they are there. When working with a company (for minimum wage), how long do you honestly stay at minimum wage? Heck, when I worked at McDonald's during my high school years, minimum wage was at 4.25 an hour. Within the first 6 months, I was over 5 an hour.
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Old 05-07-2018, 02:37 PM
 
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So, you are saying that because something has been a certain way for years and years, it should stay that way?

A rather round-about way of saying that business owners must be allowed to exploit their workers in order to stay in business.
Because they always have.

Slavery is exploitation. Paying someone below legal minimum wage and or other violations of labor laws is exploitation. If employer assigns a wage range to a position and someone agrees by their willingness to be hired, how is that exploitation?


If said employee feels they are worth more/can do better either ask for a raise or hit the bricks.
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