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Old 05-09-2018, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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They could, but the consumers would immediately choose to buy cheaper products from Made-in-China.

But that's not the point. Why should anybody be forced at gunpoint to do anything that is not harming anybody?
Who is being forced to do what at gunpoint? That seems to be your de facto response in many threads here, but you never seem to elaborate and tell us exactly how that claim relates to the matter under discussion.
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:57 AM
 
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Do you have a source regarding McD's workers making $25 hr plus benefits. Some years back swiss voters rejected a $25 min wage...so maybe you were thinking of that?..
They simply didn't need to mandate a minimum job because...*drumroll*

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The country does not have a minimum wage law, so pay scales are determined by employment contracts or collective bargaining. However, 90% of Swiss workers earn more than the proposed minimum and are already among the highest paid in the world. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-vote/9245441/
collective bargaining and actual employment contracts, imagine that...the worst fear of the right, workers empowered to participate in the setting of wages and working conditions.
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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Do you have a source regarding McD's workers making $25 hr plus benefits. [/url]

The collective agreement for workers, including McDonalds workers:

Run it through google translate:

https://www.hotellerie-gastronomie.c...mindestloehne/

$45 500 per year is the absolute minimum with 5 weeks paid vacation, 13 months pay and 6 paid holidays.

These wages are binding for all companies.
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:16 AM
 
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The collective agreement for workers, including McDonalds workers:

Run it through google translate:

https://www.hotellerie-gastronomie.c...mindestloehne/

$45 500 per year is the absolute minimum with 5 weeks paid vacation, 13 months pay and 6 paid holidays.

These wages are binding for all companies.
oh snap
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:16 AM
 
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They simply didn't need to mandate a minimum job because...*drumroll*



collective bargaining and actual employment contracts, imagine that...the worst fear of the right, workers empowered to participate in the setting of wages and working conditions.
Yes, the minimum wage is the second best option when unions are destroyed. A strong trade union movement is always the best if workers want a fair deal. It levels the playing field somewhat between the employee and the employer.

The idea that $40 Big Macs are just around the corner if workers get a fair deal is ludicrous. Big Macs cost $6.50 in Switzerland and workers make at least $25 an hour. And you dont have to be served by sick people who cant afford to take a day off because they have paid sick leave!

Yet we are told the sky will fall, burgers will cost $40, if NYC get a $15 an hour wage, years down the line. The amount of scaremongering is ridiculous.
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:22 AM
 
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Yes, the minimum wage is the second best option when unions are destroyed. A strong trade union movement is always the best if workers want a fair deal. It levels the playing field somewhat between the employee and the employer.

The idea that $40 Big Macs are just around the corner if workers get a fair deal is ludicrous. Big Macs cost $6.50 in Switzerland and workers make at least $25 an hour. And you dont have to be served by sick people who cant afford to take a day off because they have paid sick leave!

Yet we are told the sky will fall, burgers will cost $40, if NYC get a $15 an hour wage, years down the line. The amount of scaremongering is ridiculous.
Switzerland is a country of about 8 million. America over 320 million.

When do you move to Switzerland?

What's going to happen is places that a bunch of places hire low skilled workers will close , and then all the liberals will wonder why.

But it's ok they'll build some luxury condos for foreign millionaires to replace all those places were people once worked.

Good job .
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:29 AM
 
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Switzerland is a country of about 8 million. America over 320 million.
When do you move to Switzerland?
What's going to happen is places that a bunch of places hire low skilled workers will close , and then all the liberals will wonder why.
But it's ok they'll build some luxury condos for foreign millionaires to replace all those places were people once worked.
Good job .
So you concede that you were completely wrong about 'why' Switzerland did not pass a minimum wage law and it was proven to you that McDonald's workers in Switzerland actually do earn a good wage so you are going to shift your argument to "oh well there are only 8 million people living there"

Sorry, but that dog don't hunt.
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:30 AM
 
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Switzerland is a country of about 8 million. America over 320 million.

When do you move to Switzerland?

What's going to happen is places that a bunch of places hire low skilled workers will close , and then all the liberals will wonder why.

But it's ok they'll build some luxury condos for foreign millionaires to replace all those places were people once worked.

Good job .
No, mass unemployment wont happen. Thats just another silly scaremongering tactic like the $40 burgers you were talking about. In Switzerland, the unemployment rate is 3%. McDonalds pay $25 an hour and burgers are $6.50 a piece, pretty similar to NYC in fact. Except pay for low skilled workers. Unemployment and burger price is similar. Pay is less than half for fast food workers. Funny how that works.
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:42 AM
 
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So you concede that you were completely wrong about 'why' Switzerland did not pass a minimum wage law and it was proven to you that McDonald's workers in Switzerland actually do earn a good wage so you are going to shift your argument to "oh well there are only 8 million people living there"

Sorry, but that dog don't hunt.
I'm the one that linked and quoted the article saying Switzerland workers earn a 'good wage' despite not having minimum wage ...so not sure what point you are trying to make.

I guess you all agree we should get rid of the minimum wage...like our Swiss friends.
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:56 AM
 
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I'm the one that linked and quoted the article saying Switzerland workers earn a 'good wage' despite not having minimum wage ...so not sure what point you are trying to make.

I guess you all agree we should get rid of the minimum wage...like our Swiss friends.
When you posted that, you didn't seem to understand "why" the Swiss don't need a minimum wage. Let me remind you of the reasons why a minimum wage is irrelevant to the Swiss:

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The country does not have a minimum wage law, so pay scales are determined by employment contracts or collective bargaining. However, 90% of Swiss workers earn more than the proposed minimum and are already among the highest paid in the world.
If we had collective bargaining or employment contracts as they do in Switzerland as well as a number of other European nations then we wouldn't be engaged in a race to the bottom but as it stands a minimum wage is the only thing that we have in place to protect workers from the worst abuses.
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