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Originally Posted by jm1982
Most retail /commercial spaces are long leases though of 5 years of more not a one year lease like residential .
Labor can be 30 % of the cost but now it’s going to be more of the cost because of the significant hike .
It could be they are doing significant increases so they don’t have to keep raising all the time but we’ll see.
Since this $15 hr law passed , it’s been a lot worse for sure . It’ll make us less competitive than other states too . You don’t need to be in L.A or NYC to sell pizza or burgers or anything .
There are consequences including unintended consequences to everything . The liberals are making it sound like this is guaranteed to help workers but employers are already cutting hours etc .
Many could very well be sent over the edge once it’s $15 . I know liberals say who cares let them go out of business . But it’s better to have a business operating and people working versus an empty storefront.
Funny, our restaurants haven't been closing despite an almost doubling of minimum wage since 2006 and with further increases next year and in 2020....
Also, the last job my fiance had at Minimum $10/hr; had been at $9.50/hr when minimum was $8.05/hr. She got the increase rather than losing her job, and didn't lose any hours
part of the reason for raising the minimum wage is because everyone in NYC isn't wealthy.
Every time the MW goes up folks scream about losing jobs but it rarely happens.
While I'm not a fan of $15 an hour across the board it's definitely possible in places like LA and NYC where housing prices are insanely high.
Seattle and San Fran also can weather this storm.
I think a bigger issue is rent prices in these cities.
I live in Charlotte and my favorite breakfast spot is a small shop with a small footprint and their sandwich went from 3.50 to 4.50. There is no wage increase, it's a family business. This is more than likely just the price of good going up. I haven't been back since because it's no longer a good deal IMO.
and last but not least, no one needs to raise prices 20% to cover this. That's a lie.
The thing is even people with college degrees and “good jobs” struggle to pay for housing in these high cost cities . So the idea that $15 will allow people to live right by their jobs or whatever isn’t true .
Lot’s of things are out of wack because of people from around the world being attracted to these cities . They are more global cities versus American cities .
The margins are small in the restaurant business just the nature of the business .
Wow $4.50 for a sandwich is really low . We have places in L.A where it’s normal to pay $12 or more for a sandwich . Went to a place last month for lunch and sandwiches were like $16.. a nice sit down place but still..
raise prices.. it's NYC. Is anyone really going to go crazy because a Chicken Parm is 15.99 instead of 15.29?
Dude, where I can I get a chicken Parm for $15.99? Haven't seen a price that low in years.
Good restaurants are not struggling because of this. Nobody eats Applebees in NYC. It might be decent in some small town where they can attract quality talent because they're the only name in town, but even at $15 an hour you're not attracting quality employees in NYC.
They're asking for permission to charge a surcharge as opposed to just raising prices if necessary? How stupid is that.
It's basically announcing to all customers that "we've avoided paying a livable wage so far, and forced you to subsidize our employees with tips, and now that we have to pay something more reasonable, we want you to cover that too."
Excellent logic there.
Be sure to tell all the little poor kids in this country they are destined to clean toilets and flip burgers, because they're too stupid to know the difference between a diploma mill and a real school from a 2 second google search.
Then do your two second google search and list 10 legitimate online colleges that have accreditation that allows for the transfer of credits to a public college in the region, and that are regarded as legitimate by employers. I'll be right here waiting.
There is no sane reason why taxpayers should be subsidizing labor costs for restaurants, retail, etc.
Who said taxpayers are subsidizing ?
Do the restaurants send a bill to the taxpayers ?
It’s up to the employeee to live within their means . Maybe the means moving somewhere where rent for a run down studio apartment isn’t $2000 a month .
Like I mentioned before even those with college degrees and “good jobs” struggle in NYC
To live comfortable in NYC restaurants would have to pay like $100,000 or more a year . Think that’s practical ?
“ Sure .. just raise the price of a burger to $40 “
The thing is even people with college degrees and “good jobs” struggle to pay for housing in these high cost cities . So the idea that $15 will allow people to live right by their jobs or whatever isn’t true .
Lot’s of things are out of wack because of people from around the world being attracted to these cities . They are more global cities versus American cities .
The margins are small in the restaurant business just the nature of the business .
Wow $4.50 for a sandwich is really low . We have places in L.A where it’s normal to pay $12 or more for a sandwich . Went to a place last month for lunch and sandwiches were like $16.. a nice sit down place but still..
Typical wage for childcare workers is $11 an hour, dishwashers make $10.35 an hour, fast food workers make $10 an hour, animal caretakers make $11 an hour, bakers make $12.35 an hour, ambulance drivers make $11.66 an hour, lifeguards make $10.24 an hour.
These are the wages we are talking about in America and who would massively benefit from a higher minimum wage. These wages are not acceptable in 2018.
Typical wage for childcare workers is $11 an hour, dishwashers make $10.35 an hour, fast food workers make $10 an hour, animal caretakers make $11 an hour, bakers make $12.35 an hour, ambulance drivers make $11.66 an hour, lifeguards make $10.24 an hour.
These are the wages we are talking about in America and who would massively benefit from a higher minimum wage. These wages are not acceptable in 2018.
Well $50 or $100 hour would be nice , but then thing is all those places employing those people would go out of business then everyone will be making zero per hour including the business owner .
Business aren’t like the government where they can just print more money and spend what they want .
Labor is just one of many many costs of running a business .
It’s up to the employeee to live within their means . Maybe the means moving somewhere where rent for a run down studio apartment isn’t $2000 a month .
Like I mentioned before even those with college degrees and “good jobs” struggle in NYC
To live comfortable in NYC restaurants would have to pay like $100,000 or more a year . Think that’s practical ?
“ Sure .. just raise the price of a burger to $40 “
The price of a Big Mac is $6 in Scandinavia and $5 in America. Hardly a huge difference even though the cost of fast food workers there is far higher than America.
In Switzerland, the Big Mac is $6.50, compared to $5 in America, but the typical fast food worker there makes $25 an hour. Hardly a huge difference relative to the difference in wage and benefits (all workers in Switzerland have good benefits and paid vacations).
It’s up to the employeee to live within their means . Maybe the means moving somewhere where rent for a run down studio apartment isn’t $2000 a month .
Like I mentioned before even those with college degrees and “good jobs” struggle in NYC
To live comfortable in NYC restaurants would have to pay like $100,000 or more a year . Think that’s practical ?
“ Sure .. just raise the price of a burger to $40 “
Who would be serving us our food if all these people left?
Even at $15 an hour, these employees will only make $30,000 a year, forcing them into the outer boroughs.
We'd still need to tip these employees because how on earth will they be able to smile and joke with us as they serve us while they can barely afford to eat?
Until automation really takes over, restaurant workers are vital to the success of the business. They deserve to get what they can while they can.
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