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The Math never worked - add to that the Democrats who passed this law without a single Republican vote forgot to FUND the Insurance Bailouts for when the Math failed. TeamObama just gave them the money without Congressional Approval for the funding ..... Trump kept them afloat for this year, but that won't continue. Democrats will scream a lot about "save health care" - which means "save insurance companies" - BUT they will not be willing to actually sit down and Legislate any Fixes.
They just want bailout for Big Hospitals and Big Insurance.
I believe they obtained their money by robbing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. President Trump has said no more robbery to fund BO's signature accomplishment. Nothing stops Democrats from working with Republicans and drawing up a budget and funding the ACA. Of course, they most likely will have some explaining to do as to why this boondoggle isn't self-funding the way we were promised.
I don't have a reckless disregard for my own life. I simply understand the concept of opportunity cost and scarcity.
What I said was I wouldn't allow an illness to bankrupt me. I never said I wouldn't treat an illness nor would I ignore healthcare entirely. I have really good insurance, a sizable amount saved in my HSA account, and a pretty serious amount of saved spending power. If I ever get sick such that my preparations can affordably and reasonably deal with that illness, then let's get to curing me. If however, I am faced with one of the horror stories of "this medicine costs $12k per month" and/or "this treatment costs $20-30k per month" that seem to be the norm according to all the hypothetical shrieking, then I am not doing that because I find it to be a waste of resources for the worst ROI. My wife, my nieces/nephews, etc can all make better use of that money than keeping me around for a few extra months.
That isn't a disregard for life.
If that works for you then more power to you. But please understand that most people don't share your view. There are a lot of people in this country who do not have the resources you have. A vast majority of those people do not wish to simply ride the morphine train into oblivion.
What is amazing to me is, Republicans will be cheering and patting themselves on the bag for taking coverage away from older and sicker people. They will applaud that older and sicker people lose their health coverage.
Many of them seem unable to grasp the fact it is their neighbors, their uncle, sister and so on who will find themselves without coverage.
And when family without coverage gets sick who picks up the tab? Do you let your sister die because her husband let coverage drop? Do you reach out and help your 81 year old mom?
Or you are 27, playing some ball with buddies and break your leg. Now you are 27 and spending half your savings to get screws in your leg....
close to 100% of Trumpers who run into these problems have a moment of clarity and realize they have been screwed over. But only some of them figure out it is their own party doing it to them.
I thought that Hillary Clinton referring to Trump supporters as "irredeemable Deplorables" was wrong and a mistake. I think the same when you call Democrats the same thing.
I'm sure you remember that we went through MONTHS of attempting to Fix the known problems in the ACA and the Democrats refused to offer any solutions and refused to participate in any Legislation. They also VOTED in mass to defeat the Fixes to the ACA. You call that "deplorable" and perhaps it is - I call it stupidity and Political Agenda.
That is all a matter of record.
Except of course it's not.
Hillary Clinton said SOME Trump supporters are deplorable. And the fact is that some are. She never said all Trump supporters were deplorable although personally, I've often thought she didn't go far enough.
And Democrats were willing to try to fix problems in the ACA but all that was being offered was a repeal bill with promises (lies) about something better to come. So no, they weren't going to participate in that.
If that works for you then more power to you. But please understand that most people don't share your view. There are a lot of people in this country who do not have the resources you have. A vast majority of those people do not wish to simply ride the morphine train into oblivion.
Again, their wishes should not enslave me.
If people do not like facing the cards they are dealt, that should not force me to bankroll them. I grew up in a dirt poor, dysfunctional, alcoholic/addict home. I didn't just stumble into my resources, nor did anyone simply give them to me. I earned exactly everything I have, including my insurance, HSA and savings. Part of earning that was making choices. I could do bare minimum for insurance and HSA contribution, but I do the max allowed by law. Those contributions are money I could use for all sorts of other stuff that is more fun and rewarding, but that's how scarcity works. Bag of Money has X dollars in it, and I have to make choices.
My way of thinking does not obligate or harm anyone else, so why should anyone else's way of thinking harm or obligate me? Why must I be enslaved because you are either unwilling or incapable of properly making choices according to your own levels of scarcity?
You insult me about what you call my casual disregard for life, but your words clearly advocate your casual disregard for individual freedom. If other people wish to spend all the money in the world on healthcare, so goes your thinking, then I along with everyone else am duty bound to supplement their desires. It is part of the social contract I never signed but was made party to when I was born, so goes the thinking. I was born into slavery, bound to serve the wishes and desires of people who eschew the concept of economic scarcity. If anything is casual disregard for life, it is the thinking that everyone must serve their neighbor's whims and desires because f_u_ck them, they were born here and owe you.
Twenty minutes? Try adding an hour or more, depending on road and weather conditions.
Instead of 257, try 40,000 residents as that's how many rely on Angel Medical Center when Mission shuttered labor and delivery service there in July 2017.
You may think it is no big deal, but a lot of people do.
The article said now rural resident in the surrounding county(s) of Ashville will have to drive.....20miles to the hospital. That's about the distance it is where I live.
"At that point, Mission will provide birthing services only at its locations in Asheville and Marion. That means women in rural counties will have to drive at least 20 miles to give birth and — if they want to be able to see the same providers in the delivery room they saw throughout their pregnancies — to get prenatal care. "
Of the 15 hospitals with a maternity ward in the 19 county Asheville area, 4 are closing. So that's 11 maternity facilities within a 19 county area with a maximum of ~ 20-50 mile drive.
Hillary Clinton said SOME Trump supporters are deplorable. And the fact is that some are. She never said all Trump supporters were deplorable although personally, I've often thought she didn't go far enough.
And Democrats were willing to try to fix problems in the ACA but all that was being offered was a repeal bill with promises (lies) about something better to come. So no, they weren't going to participate in that.
Your "matter of record" is a pack of lies.
Regardless of how may are deplorable, they are all gullible.
They either believe the lies they post on this forum, or they know they are lies and post them anyway.
Hillary Clinton said SOME Trump supporters are deplorable. And the fact is that some are. She never said all Trump supporters were deplorable although personally, I've often thought she didn't go far enough.
And Democrats were willing to try to fix problems in the ACA but all that was being offered was a repeal bill with promises (lies) about something better to come. So no, they weren't going to participate in that.
Your "matter of record" is a pack of lies.
The problem is the lies forwarded to pass Obamacare in the first place. Those lies wiped out the huge advantage the (D)'s held.
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