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Old 09-14-2018, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Cop running after a suspect trips on as curb, falls and his gun goes off killing a bystander. Manslaughter?

Cop in an active shoot out with an armed perp kills a hostage. Manslaughter?

Cop answering an armed home invasion call kills the armed home owner. Manslaughter?

Where is the line?
It's a question of state law. This has been an issue here in Washington state, and there is going to be an initiative on the ballot in Nov regarding police shootings.

Several years ago an Indian wood carver was shot by an officer while crossing the street. Video clearly shows that the victim was no threat. He was carrying a small pocketknife that he used for carving. He was partially deaf, and so did not respond to commands.

Nothing could be done to the cop due to state law, although he eventually did resign.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt1mFQG3tJg

edit: the shooting was ruled "unjustified," but still no charges were ever filed.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Served on any juries lately?

1--it does matter very much if a killing is INTENTIONAL--that means with malice a forethought in the law
2--even an UNINTENTIONAL killing can be considered manslaughter if the person doing the killing should have realized his/her actions could lead to someone's death--
Like the police officer SHOULD have realized she was at the wrong person's door
Like the police officer didn't really wait to assess the situation---she overreacted or at least the story she tells portrays her as overreacting to seeing someone in "her" apartment...

Consider this a negligent homicide example--based on the excellent example in the movie "Michael Clayton" with George Clooney as an attorney for a big NYC law firm who is the "fixer" like Cohen for Trump--

Case of a person under the influence who runs a red light and strikes someone in the crosswalk--
That it at least depraved indifference manslaughter charge--
You knew drinking could lead to you being impared as a driver--
You drank and drove anyway
You ran a red light--a violation in its own right even w/o being under the influence
You struck a pedestrian who was legitimately in the crosswalk
That person died because of YOUR actions...
Ergo you are responsible for a death even if you didn't set out to do it purposely/intentionally...but you did leave the site of the drinking impaired to drive...
The bad decision making come before the shooting -so intention to kill is irrelevant.

Just like the drink driver kills because of bad decision making (manslaughter)so did this women kill because of bad decision making (I'm assuming).

You can never accidentally murder a person.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:59 PM
 
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Have there been any cases in the US this century where a police officer ever actually went to prison for shooting someone?

I can think of a lot of cases where they were tried but acquitted.

I can think of maybe three cases where they were convicted of something but served no time.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:08 PM
 
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It never changes. No matter what.
Whats worse is they didnt even put any of her alleged dialog in the affidavit.
They are trying to help her get off. If she walks, the prosecution threw the case.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Have there been any cases in the US this century where a police officer ever actually went to prison for shooting someone?

I can think of a lot of cases where they were tried but acquitted.

I can think of maybe three cases where they were convicted of something but served no time.
Michael Slager is in prison serving 20 years for shooting Walter Scott in the back and then planting his taser near him.

That's the only one I'm aware of.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Cop off-duty who enters the wrong apartment after a series of rookie errors and shoots the owner of the apartment.

There, that's the line.
Mostly not true though a matter of state law. Cop is always a Cop - on or off duty.

The problem is that the error made was a common one. It does put the officer into the situation but the actual shooting may well be justified as a police officer defending herself from sa non complying individual..

In my mind both the cop and the guy shot are victims of the second amendment. As long as guns are commonly available the police are going to assume an armed opponent in any situation they consider dangerous. That is going to get the innocent killed.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:38 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Michael Slager is in prison serving 20 years for shooting Walter Scott in the back and then planting his taser near him.

That's the only one I'm aware of.
Texas cop Roy Oliver was just sentenced to 15 years for shooting 15 year old African-American student Jordan Edwards. So it does happen. Especially these days with cell phone cameras, body cams, dashboard cams, etc.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Texas cop Roy Oliver was just sentenced to 15 years for shooting 15 year old African-American student Jordan Edwards. So it does happen. Especially these days with cell phone cameras, body cams, dashboard cams, etc.
Thanks, I was unaware of that one.

Twice out of how many incidents though? The odds are very slim.

Several people should have been imprisoned after the murder of Laquon McDonald and subsequent cover up of it, but it never happened.

Even with video tape these cops claim they thought their life was in danger and that's the end of that.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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From reporting on the Roy Oliver trial...

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It's extremely rare for police officers to be tried and convicted of murder for shootings that occurred while they are on duty. Only six non-federal police officers have been convicted of murder in such cases — and four of those convictions were overturned — since 2005, according to data compiled by criminologist and Bowling Green State University professor Phil Stinson.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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Michael Slager is in prison serving 20 years for shooting Walter Scott in the back and then planting his taser near him.

That's the only one I'm aware of.
Just a couple weeks ago a cop in the same city of Dallas was convicted of murder for shooting the black teen in a car driving away https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ooting-n904166

I see other posters mentioned that now.
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