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Old 09-27-2018, 02:53 PM
 
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I was just using the examples of progressive places with strict reporting requirements on property crime. I think we can all agree that sexual assault is far more serious of an offense, with an attendant increase in the "interests of justice", than property crime.
My point was simply that - no, my parents didn't report it then. I think they were afraid of the family and that nothing would happen because the family was so well connected. But if (and extremely unlikely) he were to ever get nominated as a SCJ, I would probably get up the nerve to say something although I sure wouldn't want to go public. Facial prosthetics? I don't know, something. But for a job that important, I would want that known.
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Old 09-27-2018, 02:55 PM
 
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I'm curious OP, why is it you think that there were very few reports of priests raping young boys and girls. Then suddenly (what was it 10 years ago), there was an explosion of reported abuse. What is it you think prevented those people from reporting the crimes for sometimes 40-50 years?

If there had been a 90 day statute of limitations in effect at the time, do you think we (as a society) would even be aware of the massive number of crimes committed by and protected by the church and it's priests and nuns and covered up by the church hierarchy?
Again, what I proposed is not a SOL. Its just a reporting requirement, a law that stands alone.

Much like the gun reporting laws.
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Old 09-27-2018, 02:56 PM
 
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We need a timely reporting law so that people's lives can no longer be disrupted and democracy hijacked by ancient allegations which cannot be proven or disproven due to the lapse of time, eroding memories, and generally making it impossible to ascertain factual events from fictional allegations.

We can all agree that sexual assaults are more impactful on society than property crimes, right?

So, in CA and NY/RI, you have 5 days and 24 hours, respectively, to notify law enforcement of the theft of any firearm.

Surely for something even more emergent than a missing piece of property, we can impose the same reporting requirements on a far more serious offense, to ensure that investigations are contemporaneously initiated, that evidence is preserved, and so that the system ensures equal justice in the form of sufficient due process, for both victim and accused.
For kids too? Or is it just adult victims of sexual assault you are going to treat worse than you treat the victim of property damage?
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Old 09-27-2018, 02:58 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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48 hours is not quite enough time, methinks. But I am of the opinion that we COULD drop it down below 35 years a wee bit.

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Old 09-27-2018, 02:58 PM
 
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My point was simply that - no, my parents didn't report it then. I think they were afraid of the family and that nothing would happen because the family was so well connected. But if (and extremely unlikely) he were to ever get nominated as a SCJ, I would probably get up the nerve to say something although I sure wouldn't want to go public. Facial prosthetics? I don't know, something. But for a job that important, I would want that known.
But that could prevent timely reporting for any crime.

It would be better to at least inform the community as to what happened. The reason so many priests were able to continue this abuse over long periods of time is that the community was never informed. The church was shutting victims up with financial settlements.

Awareness, and publicity, are the two things that can stop a serial offender.

That's why there is a sex offender registry.
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Old 09-27-2018, 02:59 PM
 
Location: STL area
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Wow, showing your utter cluelessness and lack of empathy. More proof of the heartlessness of some conservatives. Honestly, your idea is completely disgusting.
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Old 09-27-2018, 03:02 PM
 
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But that could prevent timely reporting for any crime.

It would be better to at least inform the community as to what happened. The reason so many priests were able to continue this abuse over long periods of time is that the community was never informed. The church was shutting victims up with financial settlements.

Awareness, and publicity, are the two things that can stop a serial offender.

That's why there is a sex offender registry.
Well yes, we know that now and who knows, maybe that person was a victim of a priest, it's entirely possible and could even make sense. I definitely don't want to make this a thing, I just want to say just because something isn't reported doesn't mean it didn't happen. I've thought about that so much the past two weeks.
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Old 09-27-2018, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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We need a timely reporting law so that people's lives can no longer be disrupted and democracy hijacked by ancient allegations which cannot be proven or disproven due to the lapse of time, eroding memories, and generally making it impossible to ascertain factual events from fictional allegations.

We can all agree that sexual assaults are more impactful on society than property crimes, right?

So, in CA and NY/RI, you have 5 days and 24 hours, respectively, to notify law enforcement of the theft of any firearm.

Surely for something even more emergent than a missing piece of property, we can impose the same reporting requirements on a far more serious offense, to ensure that investigations are contemporaneously initiated, that evidence is preserved, and so that the system ensures equal justice in the form of sufficient due process, for both victim and accused.
You’re so focused on Trump and his personnel that you neglected abused children, adolescents and victims who are unconscious for more than 48 hours.

Shameful.
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Old 09-27-2018, 03:13 PM
 
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In 90 days, there is no physical evidence, recollections have already begun to fade as to specific circumstances. Can you remember where you were exactly 90 days ago and everything that happened that day?
No, I don't remember what I was doing 90 days ago.

But 13 years ago? I was wearing size 6 jeans from American Eagle, a size medium short sleeve maroon t-shirt with a white outline of a bear (my school's mascot), size 8 black flip flops... I know what I ate, what I drank, who I hung out with, which sheets I had on my bed... What my rapist was wearing... What he said to me...

I've relived every detail of that day, and the next day, in my head over and over again. There is no reason for me to do the same for July 27, 2018. Nothing happened that day. But the day I was raped 13 years ago? So much time was spent trying to figure out what I could have done differently, that it's pretty hard to forget that day.
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Old 09-27-2018, 03:17 PM
 
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Women are confused and ashamed when they get raped. It can take them a long time to even realize they are not at fault. And what about kids? Many are too frightened or don't even understand what happened?

Just women are confused and ashamed of course....

Anyway the problem is we have no consistency. When two people are drunk the victim is thought to be held unaccountable for actions unless they drive a car. Meanwhile the drunk rapist is considered of sound mind. Kind of a problem.

The accused was also a minor at the time....


Anyway when I was in high school and at a college dorm my friend forgot to tell me his friend ,the one with the college dorm, was gay, and kind of a flamer. He tried to take off my belt when he thought I was sleeping after drinking. Typical party. ....Turned out I was confused and ashamed...Later I tried to blow up his mail box. ...

To this day I think that would have been just since I would have no interest in ruining this person today since it was also many years ago and he just pushed a boundary a straight guy like me didn't like.
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