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Last I looked we don't have out of control forest fires in my state.
You are rapidly climbing the ranks of worst posters on CD. You said it yourself, you don't know anything about forest fires yet here you are making baseless claims on a topic you don't know anything about.
It looks likes the Alt-Right Trumpists have stumbled across another issue they will use to blame and bash liberals. Next thing you know, they will be blaming them as being the true culprits in global warming.
Getting back to the OP's home grounds in Pennsylvania, I just read that they are facing an epidemic of fairly new and very expensive homes, that are decaying rapidly, because of water leaks. This is due to shoddy construction, enabled by poor inspection standards and practices. Many thousands of homeowners are having to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, to rebuild their houses and some of them can't be saved, no matter how much is spent. Now that is just as much my business, as the West Coast wildfires are to someone who lives there. Do you suppose that the liberals can be blamed for the lax home inspection standards? After all, the court-ordered elimination of republican-skewed gerrymandering caused Pennsylvania to make a hard turn towards blue in the recent election.
Steve I'm actually not aware of that item. My house is about 100 years old and for the most part, has been a good home to live in. Can't speak for those people who build from scratch.
You are rapidly climbing the ranks of worst posters on CD. You said it yourself, you don't know anything about forest fires yet here you are making baseless claims on a topic you don't know anything about.
Again: If PGE is responsible for a large portion of the fires, and if California is supposed to regulate PGE -- then the government of CA has failed. How is my posting wrong? Why are you liberals unwilling to admit this?
"Worst" is so subjective. Conservatives love my posts. Leftists don't. Your opinion means nothing.
It's happening here in Utah and other western states, too. Hotter and drier.
"In 2018, Curry said firefighters have seen the highest levels of explosiveness in the fuel wildfires consumed — light and heavy timber. Usually, weather and topography have had a greater role to play in the spread of a wildfire.
Meteorologist Geoff Fox is on right and Trump is talking nonsense again.
This is for Mr.Trump:
What comes to forest cleaning,we don't rake forests anymore because that is so old fashion...so last season.
On these days we are using forest cleaners, very power full machines.
Very big machines, great machines...best machines ever and no one have so nice machinery than we.
So beautiful colors on those machines, best colors in whole world..Suits so nicely with the forest colors.
Also we have best forest cleaning ladies!
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Nice to know Finns are having a fun time with Trump's latest nonsense.
Nice to know Finns are having a fun time with Trump's latest nonsense.
BTW, have you considered Roombas?
Trump is both right and wrong with his comments. He's wrong that we can simply copy Finland. We can't.
He's right that California has failed with fire management. See other thread.
Sadly, while the proximal cause seems to be narrowing in on PG&E, I believe that this tragic fire is the result of many factors, including:
* expanding residential development in the wildland-urban interface (WUI)
* long-standing environmental policies of fire suppression
* business interests prioritizing profitability over safety
* drought
* fairy-tale thinking
* California's high cost of living
These are not easy problems to solve. Private owners' heads are in the clouds over the risks of living in the WUI. I get it. I am a former Californian, and I love that area, too, but this fire was entirely predictable, and everybody knew it, especially after last year's Tubbs fire in Lake, Napa, and Sonoma counties. People moved into vulnerable areas for employment (logging, railroads, mining), in many cases over a century ago, and what were originally transient communities transitioned to established towns and cities, and the natural fires that kept the dangers in check were suppressed to protect personal and business interests. Everybody knew it was only a matter of time, that they couldn't hold back nature forever, but fairy tale thinking ensued. It couldn't happen here, could it? But the inevitable has happened, hundreds of people are unaccounted for and presumed dead, and thousands more have barely escaped with their lives. Now everybody is running around looking for somewhere to place blame, somebody to PAY, and eventually somebody will. But in the not so far future, we'll all forget, like we always do. A new bunch of settlers with dollar signs in their eyes will rush in and scoop up that once-beautiful land at a bargain, and the cycle will begin again.
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The forested areas in California need to be cleaned out (cutting down the trees and raking out the undergrowth) and then burnt on a regular basis. Massive forest fires occurred naturally for millions of years, both in America and in Finland.
Unfortunately, the lknow-it-all liberal tree huggers think that forests are supposed to remain unharmed for millions of years, so they have allowed undergrowth to accumulate under trees that coukd have been harvested for lumber.
Needs don't always match nature.
Sure, lots of undergrowth needs to be cleared. But in a 15-year drought, cleaning all the undergrowth can't be burned without creating an immense fire danger. So where does all that flammable junk go? If you pile it up, it becomes a fire bomb. You can't bury it all, and if you chip it all into shavings, it only creates more fire bombs.
Especially in a state like California, where there's snow on top of the mountains while it's 80º in the deserts below.
It's damned easy to say, damned hard to do. The Yellowstone fire proved allowing nature to take its course is courting disaster. Without fire, the undergrowth simply can't ever be cleared away until the climate allows it to happen safely to thousands of people.
The geological records of the west show that droughts have lasted in the southwest for well over 100 years. Every drought has periods where there are a few rainy years, but those years are never predictable as to when they will come, and removing undergrowth demands a lot of preparation in advance always.
The fact is nature is still more powerful than we are. The Earth is warming. Fire is going to become an increasing threat everywhere, but especially in the always-dry west.
Instead of trying to use blanket solutions, it would be far better for we humans to adjust our thinking than to continue to hope for a failing idea to finally work by some miracle.
Wildfire in the west is like tornadoes in our midwest. We can't fight tornadoes from happening any more than we can fight wildfires.
But what we can do is create safety shelters to keep people alive in a wildfire, we can build structures that are more resistant to fire, and we can create much better ways of escaping a wildfire. Just as we have already done in tornado alley.
Again: If PGE is responsible for a large portion of the fires, and if California is supposed to regulate PGE -- then the government of CA has failed. How is my posting wrong? Why are you liberals unwilling to admit this?
"Worst" is so subjective. Conservatives love my posts. Leftists don't. Your opinion means nothing.
Because there are so many other factors in play here that have been pointed out by other posters that you chose to ignore. And that's why I have a problem with your posts. You get dug into a position, in this case on a topic you have admitted to be clueless about, and pay no attention to the facts. What you are doing is no different than blaming Houston officials for the high death and damage from Hurricane Harvey.
You and more importantly the President is making a tragic situation so much worse with his insensitive blame game when he doesn't know what he's talking about either. Those people are going through Hell, the last thing they need is a President throwing gas on the fire just as he did with his comments after the shooting in Pittsburgh. Sometimes it's best to shut the Hell up after a tragedy.
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Finns aren't raking the forests and if he wants to change forest management approaches, he needs to playing the shame game with the Feds.
"The federal government manages 57 percent of the forests in California, according to the Legislative Analyst's Office. The state manages 2 percent. Private owners are responsible for 39 percent."
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