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Their job is to teach facts, not spew out their opinions on impressionable students. I don't care what side of the political spectrum, they should remain neutral and unbiased.
Education isn't just teaching facts. Education is also teaching critical thinking, including learning to present one's opinion in an intelligent manner.
Contrary to your head-in-the-sand view, teachers come in all sorts of persuasions. I had two social studies teachers in high school who both were recently out of college, both Vietnam vets. One was as conservative as could be, the other learned toward socialism. I was able to learn from both of them, even as an "impressionable" teenager, and was grateful for the divergence in opinion. You learn more from people whom you disagree with than from people you agree with.
Colleges today are nothing more than leftist indoctrination centers....
We've been hearing these same whiny allegations for years now.
The question is: IF they're true and that's a big IF, WHY are rightists such slackers that they've done nothing about it? Other than the occasional bogus real estate 'university' that is.
Is whining their one and only talent?
Studies have found that conservatives are discriminated against in hiring practices at most colleges/universities these days. This NYT piece discusses the issue and provides sources that support that view:
Abstract A lack of political diversity in psychology is said to lead to a number of pernicious outcomes, including biased research and active discrimination against conservatives. The authors of this study surveyed a large number (combined N= 800) of social and personality psychologists and discovered several interesting facts. First, although only 6% described themselves as conservative “overall,” there was more diversity of political opinion on economic issues and foreign policy. Second, respondents significantly underestimated the proportion of conservatives among their colleagues. Third, conservatives fear negative consequences of revealing their political beliefs to their colleagues. Finally, they are right to do so: In decisions ranging from paper reviews to hiring, many social and personality psychologists said that they would discriminate against openly conservative colleagues. The more liberal respondents were, the more they said they would discriminate.
I also find it interesting that some complain about the prevalence of young individuals graduating with a lack of math, grammar, and writing skills, that can prove detrimental to job performance in the long run. Since most college professors are liberal, the blame should be placed squarely on their shoulders.
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Yes. There is a segment that just hates anyone with a college degree. Jealousy or whatever.
"My husband is a plumber with no college and he makes a kazillion dollar". OK. Great. But he would make 2 kazillion dollars if he did have a college degree.
The real reason for the animosity is ideas, facts, statistics, and critical thinking.
Which is lacking in the Trump world. And with the Tea Party before.
As a Locomotive Engineer, I earned much more than I ever will with 3 degrees. Master Plumbers average about $250 per hour, btw.
Hold up. I thought today’s conservatives were all about nationalism.
Why care about what any grads in other countries are doing?
Because graduates from other countries are being imported to the U.S. by companies that are unable to find graduates here that meet their requirements. I agree that is not always the case, but overall it is true.
Because graduates from other countries are being imported to the U.S. by companies that are unable to find graduates here that meet their requirements. I agree that is not always the case, but overall it is true.
The point I was making was that just because an individual has a college degree or degrees, it does not automatically mean that they are smarter than an individual who does not have a college degree. You can say that they are more "educated" than someone without a degree because they have spent more time in school and supposedly have gone through a more rigorous curriculum as they furthered their "education", however, you still can't say that this makes them smarter than someone without a degree. So saying that liberals are smarter than conservatives, as you have inferred, is not accurate in many cases.
I don't believe in any liberal conspiracy on campuses per se, but I have seen many instances of anti-conservative behavior on college campuses whether it be rioting over Milo Yiannopoulos invite to Berkeley, cancelling Ben Shapiro's talk at Cal State LA or the BEATING of Gavin McInnes at NYU. While they rail about freedom of speech and being heard, they then do whatever it takes to shut down speech that disagrees with what their beliefs are. It's pure hypocrisy and it's getting worse. I always thought that all types of beliefs and behaviors were allowed and promoted on campuses. Nowadays, it seems like it's not really the case. To be fair, it's the students thoughts and actions that are creating the tension and the school has to respond in a way they may not want like cancelling a speech by a guest.
Oh, you guessed that I haven't obtained a college degree. No, I have not obtained a college degree, however, did you mean attained a college degree? If so, then yes, I have actually attained three college degrees. An associate degree in Science, a bachelor's degree and an MBA. I am not anti-college whatsoever. I think it's vital for many people to get a degree. My issues with colleges today are the costs associated with it as well as the "electives" kids have to take to get their degree. It's crap and it adds a lot of debt to college graduates.
Well said, thanks. Your entire post is spot on, particularly the bolded. Some of the smartest people I know never earned a degree.
Damn those colleges for teaching people to think. How dare them to wonder where is all the "trickle down benefits." Why they may even begin to realize that in the current elitist society they are debt slaves, born into debt and will die in debt. If colleges succeed we may end up with a society that is fair to all, the poor, the working, Hispanics, blacks, yes, and even the rich. Imagine that, a country that cares for everyone equally. How would the elites survive?
It is time to flush the "good old boy" politics. Hopefully higher education will produce the people we need to turn this county in the right direction. Learn, organize, most of all vote, and change will come.
Then I stand corrected. Thank you for clarifying, and I apologize for the misguided rant. We seem to be in agreement.
Again we agree.
Just to clarify my own position: I would say that placing a high value on a well-rounded education is a wise choice, and I would say that, as a society, we are well-advised to place high value on doing whatever we can reasonably do to make sure that every American has equitable access to good education. Education, as you point out, is not a necessary or sufficient condition for smart thinking (because some important aspects of wisdom are emotional intelligence, creativity, and good values and educational systems have typically had a tough time teaching those things), but I think that a well-rounded education can skew the statistics so that, overall, well-educated people can have somewhat of an edge when it comes to making socially responsible decisions. This is because good decisions generally depend on good comprehension of the alternatives, and learning to comprehend and evaluate alternative views is a major component of a good, well-rounded education.
Again we agree. I cringe when liberals do this.
Good call. My bad. I tend to fly through writing these posts at lightening speed, so I'm not always as careful or a clear as I'd like to be. (Although I think that, technically, obtaining X doesn't exclude the possibility that it was also attained. Still, my word choice was bad.)
I disagree with the bolded, to a degree. You are correct that "good decisions generally depend on good comprehension of the alternatives" however, I'll argue that those who have experienced the result of bad decisions are more likely to learn from their mistakes, and make a different choice in the future.
I don't believe that well educated individuals have an edge in making "socially responsible decisions" and in fact, every day we witness the result of well meaning politicians (for example) implementing bad ideas that may look good on paper, yet have detrimental effects on communities, etc.
I mentioned the comparison not because I’m consumed with what is happening elsewhere in the world, but concerned with what is happening here .... I thought the point was basic enough to not need an explanation.
As an aside, the continued decline in educational outcomes of Americans will be another excuse you liberals use to support the need for massive amounts of immigrants from other nations to provide the expertise and qualifications that the American workers lack ... even though it was liberal policies that created the situation to begin with.
This is the reoccurring theme endemic to liberal thinking and policy making .... you identify a problem ... implement a solution that ultimately creates an even bigger problem than you began with, followed by more solutions that produce the same counter productive results.
The worst part is, you all never learn from past mistakes ... which is sadly the differentiator between curable ignorance, and incurable stupidity.
Thank you. You articulated my point much better than I did. I'm just catching up on this thread and need to simply finish reading before posting.
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