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I mentioned the comparison not because I’m consumed with what is happening elsewhere in the world, but concerned with what is happening here .... I thought the point was basic enough to not need an explanation.
As an aside, the continued decline in educational outcomes of Americans will be another excuse you liberals use to support the need for massive amounts of immigrants from other nations to provide the expertise and qualifications that the American workers lack ... even though it was liberal policies that created the situation to begin with.
This is the reoccurring theme endemic to liberal thinking and policy making .... you identify a problem ... implement a solution that ultimately creates an even bigger problem than you began with, followed by more solutions that produce the same counter productive results.
If liberals created this mess, why is that other wealthy, Western countries, all of which are far more politically liberal than the US, haven't seen the continued decline in educational outcomes you speak of? Do they have consistently higher educational outcomes than does the US -- the most politically conservative country in the West?
American conservatives really, really need to experience living outside of the US. It would be an invaluable educational experience for them.
The Sociology curriculum certainly attempted to "indoctrinate" young students in the teachings of "Silent Racism," White Privilege,"...
Are you saying there is no such thing as white privilege? If so, I would be interested in hearing your reasons for thinking this. On the other hand, if you admit that there is white privilege, then I would say that teaching about white privilege is a sociology class is not "indoctrination" - it is simply learning sociology. Are students being indoctrinated when they learn about the holocaust? Or the era of McCarthyism? Or the decimation of native people in America? These are politically-charges subjects, but does teaching about them count as indoctrination?
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...and the advantages of socialism.
If the professor focused only on the advantages of socialism without giving examples of the best counterarguments or other perspectives, then I am with you in criticizing the approach. To be a good teacher, one needs to make a concerted effort to offer multiple sides of controversial issues. But simply teaching about the advantages of socialism does not count as indoctrination unless the teacher offered no discussion of the criticisms against it.
I've been in a lot of college classes over several decades (even now, at age 60, I still sit in on some). In my experience, professors have virtually always attempted to offer both sides of controversial issues in order to get discussions going. The general idea in most classes is to encourage debate because debate is at the core of most academic subjects, and students need to learn how to comprehend counterarguments.
Re bolded, and that's the problem. Alot of folks don't have that option. I provided an example of "well educated" politicians that never suffer the consequences of their bad decisions. It's common these days, right?
And finally, no. I'm simply suggesting that there are a lot of intelligent people in this world, irregardless of education. For example, my Dad is a Mechanical Engineer and was very accomplished in his field with Dow Chemical.
I breed, raise, train, and show Arabian horses. I could never grasp the complexities of mechanical engineering any more than my Dad could understand the issues of breeding Arabians. Both require specific knowledge, one no better than the other, just different.
Not to denigrate you in any way, but horse breeding these days has little general utility as compared to engineering. I think that those on this topic right now that already demean liberal arts majors would say the same if they are paying attention.
College humanities were run by leftists 30 and 40 years ago, nothing has changed.
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No, it's much worse now. Centrist and even very liberal professors are saying it. People like Camille Pagia, Dave Rubin (liberal, but not a professor), Jordan Peterson, Janice Fiamengo, Laura Kipnis, and Jonathan Haidt are all speaking out on the attacks on free speech and other leftist authoritarian policies on college campuses.
you are absolutely correct. it went from annoyingly bad to dangerously bad.
The late '60's and early '70's were very dangerous on college campuses with anti-war protestors.
The actual danger was in the form of Police....and national guard in Kent...
It's another interesting factoid that goes against current "truth" that the Free Speech Movement started on College Campuses, specifically in Berkeley. Another "lefty educated" freedom which the Right has tried to co-op decades later.
American conservatives really, really need to experience living outside of the US. It would be an invaluable educational experience for them.
But they won't because they would become more liberal. The only real exception is if they are highly paid not to...in that case, they will stay with the higher paid world view.
The actual danger was in the form of Police....and national guard in Kent...
It's another interesting factoid that goes against current "truth" that the Free Speech Movement started on College Campuses, specifically in Berkeley. Another "lefty educated" freedom which the Right has tried to co-op decades later.
I was there and had acquaintances on both sides of the street. It was riotous, very dangerous, with many injuries from fighting. Aside from Kent, guns weren't used that I can recall where I was at the Univ. of Illinois.
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