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Old 11-22-2018, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Because Kemp was only partially successful in suppressing the votes in Georgia. But don't worry, they'll have voter suppression down to a pat science by 2020.

With him as Governor, you can bet he will. As for the people honoring stupid statues of men who had no issue killing Americans, tear them all down. Most were put up in the early to mid 1900's in an attempt to prove how racist southerners can be.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:22 AM
 
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With him as Governor, you can bet he will. As for the people honoring stupid statues of men who had no issue killing Americans, tear them all down. Most were put up in the early to mid 1900's in an attempt to prove how racist southerners can be.
At the very least he shouldn't be able to supervise an election he's running in. That's a conflict of interest, and putting the fox in charge of the hen house kind of situation.

Put someone neutral in charge. Hard this day and age.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:42 AM
 
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And these Democrats basically throw fuel on the fire that is the alt-right. I want the alt-right to die. But for that to happen, Democrats will need to stop fanning the flames of racial hatred and division.
Ok. Thats nuts.
The more Republicans are exposed for their elite separatist and worker /soldier society aims the better.
Let the fringe , fringe. Keep them in the corner or our eye, contained and squash when they rise up...as in....Trump using the uneducated sociopathic fringe minority to make power moves to line his family pockets.

Make no mistake, if he could, for the same $$$$$$ payoff as Americas piggy bank and $$$$$$ connections....he d run for president of any country.
Trumps are without a country.
You think they care about America? Just as long as they can continue to reap OBSCENE amounts of riches and demonize anyone who exposes them..they 'll stay.
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Old 11-22-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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Sherman was motivated to burn down the south by the Confederates' burning to the ground of Chambersburg, PA. "He who sows the wind will reap the whirlwind"- Hosea 8:7.
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Old 11-22-2018, 12:11 PM
 
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Odd thing about the Civil War is a million plus died, not knowing more automated ways to pick Cotton, would render the assets of salve holders next to worthless within a quarter century. That would have ended US slavery quickly.
And imagine what our country would be if slavery had died a natural death. I think race relations would have been a whole lot better today.
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Old 11-22-2018, 12:25 PM
 
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Take a drive along route 16 in Georgia and stop in a roadside diner with your New York plates. By the time you leave you will wonder if they spat in your food.
Anyone that acts that way is a moron, regardless of if they're from the north or south.

Good God.
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Old 11-22-2018, 12:28 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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That didn't extend to lionizing Confederate historical figures, and let's be straight about why such memorials are erected - to show the newly freed black community "who's boss," many decades after the Civil War. C'mon now.
Not to go off topic but this issue about the statues and memorials has been discussed on CD before. Yes, I am sure there were statues put up to stick a finger up at the Federal government or civil rights for Black Americans. But its got to the point that people are making stuff up.

Case in point, the Robert E Lee Memorial in New Orleans. Someone here on CD quoted a political science professor as saying the people of New Orleans put up the statue to protest a 1896 Supreme Court decision (Plessy versus Ferguson). But a quick 1 minute search showed that the statue went up in the mid 1880s, more then ten years BEFORE the Supreme Court decision.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert...,_Louisiana%29

Most of the statues that went up decades after the Civil War were put up by veterans or their families on both sides as memorials. As the teenagers and twenty somethings of the 1860s got older they wanted something to memorialize their former comrades, usually after a general who died. The last of the Civil War veterans only died in the 1950s. Both sides, did it. there are statues to generals all over the Northern states and they have nothing to do with protesting against Black Americans or the Federal government.

This is what people did back then. And we are still doing it The WW2 Memorial in Washington was created only about 15 years ago when people realized that the last of the WW2 veterans were getting old and were one day going to pass on.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ar_II_Memorial
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Old 11-22-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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And imagine what our country would be if slavery had died a natural death. I think race relations would have been a whole lot better today.
"Natural" death...

I think actually recognizing the evil of it was a better way to end it.
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Old 11-22-2018, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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This site was the meeting place of the KKK for years, they announced their rebirth in the 1920's at Stone Mountain. I understand these generals are a part of history but to portray them as heroes is misguided. Its up to the citizens of Ga to decide but this is a difficult choice, I see only one purpose in these monuments being erected decades after the civil war and its not about history.
* correction it’s up to the Yankee majority of Atlanta to decide.
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Old 11-22-2018, 12:50 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Many of you who read my posts know that I've been a liberal for many years. I revere history and believe that the Confederacy had more than its share of great generals. Reverence for great men who believed in their cause should not be the source of controversy. As a native New Yorker, I object to the statue of Sherman on the corner of 59th and fifth in NYC. While it is believed that Sherman brought the Civil War to a quicker end, the total destruction caused by his march to Savannah and back up to Columbia SC as a new low in war. No one is calling for the removal of that statue. To Southerners who make the trip North to see the great New York City, the statue opens new wounds.

Stacey Abrams who ran for the governorship in Georgia last month and lost, called for the removal of Stone Mountain. When even black Georgians opposed this as an erasure of history, I can't imagine how this didn't galvanize white voters against her.

My only surprise is how her margin of loss wasn't larger.

Sherman did save lives, both Northern and Southern.

Not only did he help shorten the war by his "burnings" (and no he did not burn down the entire state of Georgia) but he also favored maneuver versus sending his men into frontal assaults. This saved many lives.

For example, in the Atlanta campaign he faced a good defensive general (Joe Johnston) and rather then launching costly assaults against the Confederates, he kept flanking the smaller Confederate army and forced Johnston to keep retreating from one defensive line to another all the way to Atlanta. This saved lives in both the Union and Confederate armies.
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