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Old 12-19-2018, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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And here's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives want to use this as an excuse to blame the LGBTQ community and "Satan", push homophobia, and push anti-LGBTQ laws. Liberals are more apt to blame the establishment owner, the parents, and the state of New York for lax alcohol laws that allow something like this to occur.
I am a conservative and I don't think this has anything to do with LGBTQ community.

Parents and legal guardians should be held accountable.

Seriously, can you not make this a liberal vs conservative issue? It is not.
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:05 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Blaming the state for liquor laws? WTH does THAT have to do with it?

Everything. If children were not allowed in bars, the incident would have never occurred. It also could have easily happened in a heterosexual establishment.

Conservatives are just triggered by the fact it was a gay bar so that is why you are so focused on that aspect of it.
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:13 AM
 
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Everything. If children were not allowed in bars, the incident would have never occurred. It also could have easily happened in a heterosexual establishment.

Conservatives are just triggered by the fact it was a gay bar so that is why you are so focused on that aspect of it.
I'm not conservative.

If this was a little girl in a "man bar" I'd be as offended.

You think since the law allowed this it makes the behavior OK????

#epicpoliticalfail
#stopsupportingchildabuse
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:20 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I'm not conservative.

If this was a little girl in a "man bar" I'd be as offended.

You think since the law allowed this it makes the behavior OK????

#epicpoliticalfail
#stopsupportingchildabuse
The issue is individual liberty. If the boy, himself, has voluntarily chosen to do this, no laws are being violated, and taxpayers aren't funding his own personal choice, it's no one's right to be judgmental about it. Oh, sure, we can all have opinions, but we cannot project them onto the boy.
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:30 AM
 
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Everything. If children were not allowed in bars, the incident would have never occurred. It also could have easily happened in a heterosexual establishment.

Conservatives are just triggered by the fact it was a gay bar so that is why you are so focused on that aspect of it.
You are so blinded by your hatred of ‘conservatives, baptists, christains, righteousness etc. you refuse to call a spade a spade. You got some issues and i think you should get help. This is pedophilia, no matter girl boy, gay, hetero, its sick af!
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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The issue is individual liberty. If the boy, himself, has voluntarily chosen to do this, no laws are being violated, and taxpayers aren't funding his own personal choice, it's no one's right to be judgmental about it. Oh, sure, we can all have opinions, but we cannot project them onto the boy.
A child cannot consent to being part of sexualized behavior. That is against the law. It's basically child porn, but since it's LGBT, some deem it perfectly acceptable.

It's sick. It's a step away from pedophilia.

If an adult wants to do? Of course it's OK. An adult can have it. But a child? No.
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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The issue is individual liberty. If the boy, himself, has voluntarily chosen to do this, no laws are being violated, and taxpayers aren't funding his own personal choice, it's no one's right to be judgmental about it. Oh, sure, we can all have opinions, but we cannot project them onto the boy.
11 year old boy?

I agree with many of your posts, but this is something I respectfully disagree with.

I think a line needs to be drawn somewhere. What if the 11 year old wanted to earn some cash by giving blow job? We should be okay with that too?
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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When I was a little girl back in the 50's, my Dad would sometimes take me into a neighborhood bar. Mom liked dressing up like Shirley Temple. I would get up in the bar and sing and dance to "On the Good Ship Lollipop". Sexual? Sometimes I would also act out TV Commericals. I think Dad wanted me to became an Actress. lol The men in the bar would clap, pat me on the head, and give me candy.

Today this would probably Dad get arrested?
You standing on the bar singing "Good Ship Lollipop" with your parents right there, is not even close to the same thing that this kid was doing.

They claim this kid is a "drag queen", but how he was dressed when he was dancing around on stage for grown males, the only "drag queen" thing about it was his wig - which wasn't even close to the types of wigs drag queens wear. It was a normal wig. The pants were normal, the crop top was a normal crop top - there was nothing "over the top" about his outfit with the exception of it being placed in an 11 year old boy's body for stripping and dancing in front of adult gay males.

Do you want to continue to try to act like what you did actually compares, and act like it's no big deal?
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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The issue is individual liberty. If the boy, himself, has voluntarily chosen to do this, no laws are being violated, and taxpayers aren't funding his own personal choice, it's no one's right to be judgmental about it. Oh, sure, we can all have opinions, but we cannot project them onto the boy.
I have to wonder if you'd be ok with this if it was an 11 year old girl doing a strip tease show for a bunch of rowdy heterosexual men who were throwing dollars at her like she was a stripper. I understand the voluntary argument here but even most social libertines limit their acceptance to the deviant activities of "consenting adults".
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Old 12-19-2018, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Depends on what the child, himself, says about the situation and if he is doing this of his own free will. There are all kinds of activities in which children participate that involve cash rewards. The SAT National Merit and other scholarships are just an example. "Little Miss" beauty pageants and dance competitions are another. Even 4H has one:

https://4-h.org/parents/4-h-youth-in-action-awards/

The point is they're all voluntary participation, which means they aren't subject to work permit, etc., laws.
"cash reward"...yes, that's what it was, a talent show for a "cash reward".

GIVE IT A REST! He was stripping and dancing in front of grown men in a bar and money was being thrown at him like he was a stripper. That is not the same as a cash reward for SAT National Merit.

What is wrong with people that they try to make excuses for this? It's f-en disgusting, get real!
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