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Old 01-13-2019, 12:16 PM
 
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Here you can read the missing bullet point that the liberal media omits from the Common Sense Caucus plan.



https://www.vox.com/2018/2/15/170159...an-senate-daca


  • Tells ICE not to focus on unauthorized immigrants living in the US without criminal records. The bill would codify “enforcement priorities” for the Department of Homeland Security (including Immigration and Customs Enforcement). It would tell agents to focus on immigrants convicted of felonies, and those who enter the US after January 1, 2018. This would be the first time since the establishment of ICE as an independent agency in 2003 that a law would dictate whom agents should focus on, and would put much stricter restrictions on ICE than the ones agents chafed under during the Obama administration (and which Trump famously removed while in office). It wouldn’t prohibit ICE from deporting unauthorized immigrants without criminal records who’ve lived in the US for a while, but it would, at least in theory, push those immigrants way down on the enforcement agenda.

 
Old 01-13-2019, 12:29 PM
 
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Default Castro just gave the reason a wall is needed.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jul...cted-president

In the fourth paragraph, Castro, who is going to be running for the presidency in 2020 clearly states Trump's policy " is not stopping immigrants from coming into the country."

Seems clear to me, in order to stop the flow, a barrier should be in place.
That is just common sense.
Do whatever else is necessary to stop the flow, but BUILD THE BARRIER FIRST !!!

Bob
 
Old 01-13-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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Hi, Bob.
 
Old 01-13-2019, 12:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by oceangaia View Post
Here you can read the missing bullet point that the liberal media omits from the Common Sense Caucus plan.



https://www.vox.com/2018/2/15/170159...an-senate-daca


  • Tells ICE not to focus on unauthorized immigrants living in the US without criminal records. The bill would codify “enforcement priorities” for the Department of Homeland Security (including Immigration and Customs Enforcement). It would tell agents to focus on immigrants convicted of felonies, and those who enter the US after January 1, 2018. This would be the first time since the establishment of ICE as an independent agency in 2003 that a law would dictate whom agents should focus on, and would put much stricter restrictions on ICE than the ones agents chafed under during the Obama administration (and which Trump famously removed while in office). It wouldn’t prohibit ICE from deporting unauthorized immigrants without criminal records who’ve lived in the US for a while, but it would, at least in theory, push those immigrants way down on the enforcement agenda.
But with that big beautiful 25 billion dollar wall, it soon wouldn't have been an issue, right?
 
Old 01-13-2019, 12:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by oceangaia View Post
Here you can read the missing bullet point that the liberal media omits from the Common Sense Caucus plan.

https://www.vox.com/2018/2/15/170159...an-senate-daca
  • Tells ICE not to focus on unauthorized immigrants living in the US without criminal records. The bill would codify “enforcement priorities” for the Department of Homeland Security (including Immigration and Customs Enforcement). It would tell agents to focus on immigrants convicted of felonies, and those who enter the US after January 1, 2018. This would be the first time since the establishment of ICE as an independent agency in 2003 that a law would dictate whom agents should focus on, and would put much stricter restrictions on ICE than the ones agents chafed under during the Obama administration (and which Trump famously removed while in office). It wouldn’t prohibit ICE from deporting unauthorized immigrants without criminal records who’ve lived in the US for a while, but it would, at least in theory, push those immigrants way down on the enforcement agenda.
Actually, its the same source (the summary was from vox; your more detailed write-up also is from vox). The summary also omitted this bullet point:

"Prevent green card holders from sponsoring their adult children to immigrate to the US. The bill would get rid of the F-2B category of family-based visas, which are used for the unmarried adult children of green card holders. (An estimated 26,266 of those visas go out every year.) People with pending applications for those visas could still get them. After they were processed, the 26,266 annual visas would instead go to spouses and minor children of green card holders. But immigrants would still be able to sponsor their adult children to immigrate once they became US citizens."

The numbers involved for both bullet points may well be relatively small (offhand don't know how many long-established immigrants without criminal records are deported annually). However, both also involve potential transformational changes.

The first codifies what has been immigration practice (priorities set by Administrations); the second addresses one form of previously legal immigration. For the record, I would agree with you that enforcement policy should remain just that - administrative practices based on resources etc. subject to variance over time. It should not be codified.

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That's one of the stoppers. The next Dem Congress would simply kill it.
On the other hand, I'm not sure what this means ^^^. Sure, an overriding law could be passed but that's true any day of the week - subject to Presidential veto etc. The amounts would be appropriated within now-existing legislation. It's not like some new guy on the block could simply change his mind post-election. The number now is "zero."
 
Old 01-13-2019, 12:36 PM
 
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Nothing about the wall makes any common sense. It's not even physically possible to build a great wall across the southern border. It would just be a massive waste of money and effort that wouldn't curb illegal immigration.

If Trump doesn't go after employers, we will never stop the flow of illegal immigrants. Immigration enforcement needs to focus their energy on going after the Americans that make illegal immigration possible. There's a whole industry that thrives off of exploiting cheap illegal immigrant labor.

They know this, but they refuse to do anything about it.
 
Old 01-13-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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Nothing about the wall makes any common sense. It's not even physically possible to build a great wall across the southern border. It would just be a massive waste of money and effort that wouldn't curb illegal immigration.

If Trump doesn't go after employers, we will never stop the flow of illegal immigrants. Immigration enforcement needs to focus their energy on going after the Americans that make illegal immigration possible. There's a whole industry that thrives off of exploiting cheap illegal immigrant labor.

They know this, but they refuse to do anything about it.
We've already built hundreds of miles of wall across our Southern border over the years, was that also physically impossible? Was it built by unicorns using magic? Our border patrol agents continue to ask for a wall and believe that it is worth the money and then some, shouldn't we believe the people who are actually doing the job?
 
Old 01-13-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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Trump hasn't spent the money already appropriated
Trump had 2 yrs of complete control in House and Senate and the wall was not an issue then despite his campaign promise
Now becuz he needs a distraction from the midterms, the Mueller investigation, and a stock market showing weakness the wall becomes SOOO important...

It is a deflection
Just like so much of Teump's agenda
Not policy--only poofery
 
Old 01-13-2019, 12:42 PM
 
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We've already built hundreds of miles of wall across our Southern border over the years, was that also physically impossible? Was it built by unicorns using magic? Our border patrol agents continue to ask for a wall and believe that it is worth the money and then some, shouldn't we believe the people who are actually doing the job?
Darn those pesky facts

Lol at that poster.
 
Old 01-13-2019, 12:42 PM
 
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Originally Posted by CALGUY View Post
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jul...cted-president

In the fourth paragraph, Castro, who is going to be running for the presidency in 2020 clearly states Trump's policy " is not stopping immigrants from coming into the country."

Seems clear to me, in order to stop the flow, a barrier should be in place.
That is just common sense.
Do whatever else is necessary to stop the flow, but BUILD THE BARRIER FIRST !!!

Bob
A waste of time to offer you any truth about this issue
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