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Old 01-07-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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Originally Posted by BeerGeek40 View Post
Lies.
Not everyone wants border security. That lie ranks right up there with "You like your doctor, like your health plan, you can keep them".
Well apparently 69% don't care about Trump's wall- and this is not an MSNBC poll.


Poll: 69% of Americans Think Trump's Wall Isn't a Priority | Fortune


As for the wall, why didn't Trump pass that when he owned both houses of Congress ? For 2 years BTW.

I don't recall any Democrats voting for the tax cut yet that got passed ?


No this is a political football being tossed at the Democrats to try to make it look like their fault while Trump panders to his base (i.e you).

 
Old 01-07-2019, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Originally Posted by BeerGeek40 View Post
What does that have to do with anything at all? Of course there aren't as many illegals coming across the border over past two years. We've begun cracking down on it. What happens when Trump leaves office, and we start getting increases?
It's been on a downward trend since 2006. Trump has had nothing to do with it.
 
Old 01-07-2019, 10:43 AM
 
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What does that have to do with anything at all? Of course there aren't as many illegals coming across the border over past two years. We've begun cracking down on it. What happens when Trump leaves office, and we start getting increases?
The only stats are on apprehensions. So if apprehensions are lower is that because there are less attempts due to fear of apprehension or worse security or just plain less looking to immigrate? Considering many illegals will attempt to cross again after an apprehension I think we can eliminate that notion of apprehension as a deterrent. That leaves less attempts due to socioeconomic reasons or worse security. I doubt our security has declined so that leaves less people wanting to immigrate.


https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
 
Old 01-07-2019, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Why do the posts/threads about furloughed employees keep getting deleted?

Good question!
 
Old 01-07-2019, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
Almost no one in the Democratic party opposes border security.

Almost no one in the GOP opposes border security.

This silly govt shutdown is NOT about border security.

It's all about tRump's desire for border drama.

It also keeps Russiagate out of the headlines.


Great post and very true.
 
Old 01-07-2019, 10:47 AM
 
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Most Americans do not want the wall. Trump shut the government down for no reason besides listening to Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity. His name is on the shutdown, and it will be on the recession/depression if the GOP doesn't put pressure on him to quit being a petulant child and at least pretend he's a leader.

The democrats will be in far more trouble if they capitulate to this would-be dictator.
The gofund me for the wall is over 19 million. Take a look and you will see people donating in drips and drabs every few minutes. That alone tells me that a lot of Americans want the wall.

https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall
 
Old 01-07-2019, 10:50 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Err... those "bad hombres?" I mean, if you know much about psychology, he's painting an image of brown, Mexican people as criminals.
Most Americans don't have a positive view about illegal immigrants coming across the U.S.-Mexico border.

Any way you look at it.
 
Old 01-07-2019, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Why do you continue to lie? The Republicans in the House passed a bill to fund the wall. Republicans in the Senate did so as well, with a majority. However, Senate Dems couldn't accept that and invoked filibuster rules, which require 60 votes to pass. Dems shut down border security efforts aimed at protecting American citizens and overwhelmed the majority of the Senate.
this is completely false. The Senate passed CRs unanimously in the prior session. But the House refused to pass the same ones. No Senate filibuster was required for something that passed unanimously. The issue now is that traitor McConnell won't even allow the Senate to vote on the current CRs (which are WORD FOR WORD what previously passed in the Senate) now passed by the House because lying Trump and Fox News don't want to reopen the government.

Trump and the GOP own the shutdown, just like Trump himself said when he met with Pelosi and Schumer. Any claim to the contrary is a lie just like the idiotic GOPer lie that all Democrats want an open border. Not wanting a wall because it's a huge waste of money to build something that won't even work isn't remotely the same thing as not wanting border security of any sort.
 
Old 01-07-2019, 10:51 AM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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The gofund me for the wall is over 19 million. Take a look and you will see people donating in drips and drabs every few minutes. That alone tells me that a lot of Americans want the wall.

https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall
They are the minority and the Trump believers. Very sad.

$19 million! Only $4,981,000,000 to go !
 
Old 01-07-2019, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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They are the minority and the Trump believers. Very sad.

$19 million! Only $4,981,000,000 to go !

And only 363,000 of the 63 million who voted for Trump have donated. Looks like the majority of Trump voters don't want the wall.
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