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Do these funds provided the amounts needed? The granddaddy of all money pots - general purpose Pentagon funds cannot by law be used for military construction. All military construction projects first must be approved by Congress. There are a couple of exceptions, one of which provides about $50 million dollars. A drop in the bucket. The other stipulates the emergency must be in support of the military forces.
You have a cite for that law? Does that law apply in National Emergency? Do other laws that cover National Emergency supercede?
Do these funds provided the amounts needed? The granddaddy of all money pots - general purpose Pentagon funds cannot by law be used for military construction. All military construction projects first must be approved by Congress. There are a couple of exceptions, one of which provides about $50 million dollars. A drop in the bucket. The other stipulates the emergency must be in support of the military forces.
How that needle gets threaded is anybody's guess. But if Trump puts the US military on the border - to defend not the border but the legality of his wall construction - he still needs to come up with a basis for the "emergency." Sure there are border enforcement issues but an emergency is hard to defend using publicly available data. Terrorism? Public health?
Trump has been referring this week to the "humanitarian" crisis at the border. But that appears to be more a result of his own policies and would not be addressed by a wall.
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You have a cite for that law? Does that law apply in National Emergency? Do other laws that cover National Emergency supercede?
Your other questions: Darned if I know ... although I suspect Trump's declarations that declaring a national emergency is the "easy way out" to be a bit far afield.
Would inadequate or no airport screening be considered an extraordinary threat? What about inadequate or no health or food screening?
Yes, that's why the GOP should compromise since the funding for a border wall was based on a lie from Individual 1. Democrats didn't tell the lie about funding from Mexico and an emergency, he did. Now he pays for the shutdown. He also said he would own the shutdown. Another flat out lie. You believe the American public should continue to accept lie on top of lies from a president? I don't.
Your other questions: Darned if I know ... although I suspect Trump's declarations that declaring a national emergency is the "easy way out" to be a bit far afield.
So setting aside that this (along with the rest of the analysis) is an agency interpretation and not a court ruling, let's look at that law
§12. No contract to exceed appropriation
No contract shall be entered into for the erection, repair, or furnishing of any public building, or for any public improvement which shall bind the Government to pay a larger sum of money than the amount in the Treasury appropriated for the specific purpose.
The military has been funded and the money already appropriated in the Treasury. Using military funds would not bind the government to pay any more than they are already bound.
Furthermore, if he has the actual military do the work, and not private contractors, there is no "contract".
Trump is probably stomping his feet, hitting his head against the wall, screaming and crying over not getting his ridiculous wall. Meanwhile, Mexico is laughing at him!
The scary thing is that this is closer to the truth then we want to admit to!
Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer have once again said they will not, under any circumstances, approve funding for a border wall or steel slat fence.
Should Trump just go ahead and declare the state of emergency?
They did say they would fund "border security" just not a Wall. There are new better ways . The only emergency was the Dems taking the house and Muellers report getting ready to come to light!
If it's an emergency why is he waiting? He's waited weeks so obviously it's not an emergency.
He has waited two years. A super - slo - mo emergency ...
Trump is gaming the system for political capital, a true abuse.
Ironically, he would have to keep the country in a state of emergency for the rest of his presidency. A construction project like that would not finish in weeks, or even months. Even the Senate would be outraged by that.
The scary thing is that this is closer to the truth then we want to admit to!
Not only Mexico. What I do know there are hundreds of bills that go to the congress and delay years in being passed sometimes. Some are dead on arrival. The result of not taking care of The immigration problem has brought us to this. Again no fault of the employees who are paying the price for the incompetent leaders we vote for. But why a bill for a wall introduced the last couple of years has to be a priority? Children at play with peoples lives. Pfft. I rather have bills that give life in prison or death penalty to all pedophiles who hurt or kill children. Not teenage love but you know what I’m referring to. Yet many children die or are traumatized for life and we give the arseholes probation.
There are many just causes to make laws. For the wall, get inline like the rest !
The reality is that the Wall has become a political tug of war. The Extreme Right wants to build at all cost since the Left doesn’t want it. The Extreme Left doesn’t want it because the Right wants it.
The reality is that there are cheaper and better ways to protect our border than just building a wall on all 5he southern border.
But for those on both sides this has become a point to poke the other in the eye.
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