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Funny how when it comes to abortion the right loves to go to extreme scenarios citing things that will probably never happen, yet when it comes to gun control, actual worse case scenarios don't bother them one damn bit.
Its because removing guns leaves people incredibly vulnerable in a ruthless capitalist society. Americans are some of the most violent, shrewd and sociopath on the planet and I for one want to retain my means to defend myself from some meat head driving a lifted F-750 super duty. At least I know that if the crap hits the fan he might think twice because so many people (including myself) are armed. Sure he might be armed to but now the equation changes, him being a giant meat head buys him nothing if i am a better and faster shot.
The USA is really not much different than the wild west, we just have a MASSIVE police state now that tempers peoples behaviors. Our police state makes Stalins police look like a clown show.
I support abortion with strict limitations... early as possible in the first trimester, and only in cases of rape/forced sex. Seems to me if someone forced you to have sex, and you got pregnant as a result, you would take care of the issue as quickly as possible, not wait until the third trimester, when you are about to have the baby, to decide to kill it. That is entirely messed up and irresponsible.
The Republicans have enough people who will lie to make their point. No need to make it a campaign issue. Just use talk radio and the grapevine to get everybody all worked up before the election.
Just like here. Present 1/2 truths and lies and stick to it. Works like a charm.
I'll tell you who lied about the bill --- the Democrat who proposed it and everyone who repeated her lie. She said:
"I want to be very clear about what’s currently allowed in Virginia law," she said. "Right now, women are able to access an abortion in the later stages of the pregnancy under certain conditions with approval of medical doctors. I’ve done nothing to change that."
PolitiFact, definitely not a right wing site, gave her statement a FALSE rating.
We believe it because you vote for politicians who are open to it, as demonstrated by Northam's statements.
I've read the quotes and watched the video of Northam. "the infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother." Is this the quote you mean or was there something else? How anyone could interpret this as advocating for infanticide is beyond me, but that is exactly what Fox News seemed to be saying. If a terribly unwell preterm baby is delivered, you'd better believe there will be a discussion, many of them, between the physicians and the mother. Of course there would be.
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Just wondering how people feel about the Democrats' new abortion position. That position was articulated by Virginia Governor Ralph Northam, when he stated that one option would be to deliver the baby, make him or her comfortable, and then have a discussion with the mother about whether the baby should live or die.
Personally, I strongly disagree. What do you think?
I condemn posts like yours where you have misrepresented Northam's poorly articulated words. The Virginia law addresses non-viable fetuses. The situation Northam was describing was the delivery of a dying infant, and a doctor discussing with the mother what to do. The infant is dying. There is no discussion about whether the baby should live or die. The baby is going to die. The options are about sparing the baby suffering.
So you obviously have no clue what those new laws actually call for. Read what was actually passed not what anti-choice pundits say. Personally I applaud them.
Correct. Anti-abortion advocates think the doctors are murdering a healthy crying one day old baby. In fact, they are performing an abortion at about 24 weeks in which the fetus is either suffering (and I mean suffering) with a fatal birth defect that they cannot survive no matter what (primarily anencephaly) or that the mother will likely die if she delivers at full term. This is not a full term baby. It is after the typical stage of abortion, which is around 12 weeks. But they will use the inaccurate information as a talking point, because they are against abortion the day after conception. They are also against birth control, the morning after pill, Food Stamps, other welfare benefits, or sex outside of marriage. But Viagra is O-OK, right?
Just wondering how people feel about the Democrats' new abortion position. That position was articulated by Virginia Governor Ralph Northam, when he stated that one option would be to deliver the baby, make him or her comfortable, and then have a discussion with the mother about whether the baby should live or die.
Personally, I strongly disagree. What do you think?
I think you don't know what you're talking about based on your poll.
I'll tell you who lied about the bill --- the Democrat who proposed it and everyone who repeated her lie. She said:
"I want to be very clear about what’s currently allowed in Virginia law," she said. "Right now, women are able to access an abortion in the later stages of the pregnancy under certain conditions with approval of medical doctors. I’ve done nothing to change that."
PolitiFact, definitely not a right wing site, gave her statement a FALSE rating.
Her lie is as bad as claiming the bill 'advocates' infanticide.
What Politifact writes is correct and nothing I haven't been saying all along.
The law, at is base; however, is not changed and that part (or the base of the law) has to do with late-term or 3rd trimester abortion. Tran is correct in that the current law and the proposed law were not a change. So many on the internet have framed this in such a way that they made it look like Virginia went from not allowing late term abortion at all to now allowing 3rd trimester abortions (and of healthy infants to boot).
I agree that the proposed bill was a change--obviously, or why else would you introduce a bill. However, essentially, the bill does not change Virginia's stance on when you can get an abortion. Tran's bill removed some of the hurdles a woman had to go through to get one.
Unfortunately, I can see that politicians now need to micromanage every aspect of every word for the black-and-white contingency out there. For all intents and purposes, Virginia abortion law would not have change with Tran's proposal. The bill was to remove obstacles to a legal procedure put in place by the previous GOP led Virginia government.
I think it is murder to kill any fetus or baby that can live without assistance or a mostly normal life with only some assistance; and I would not support such murder.
However, there are cases in which a severely handicapped (and, yes, I know using the word "handicapped" is not PC, but I don't know of a better term) in which 24/7 care is required for the rest of the child's life and sometimes well into adulthood if s/he lives that long. In those cases, I would support the decision of the parents if they choose to end that life before it actually starts.
What so many people forget or don't seem to realize, however, that in the vast majority of cases, anyone who would go through so much of pregnancy really wants a child, and it would be an absolutely heartbreaking decision to have the pregnancy end in the death of a child that was very much wanted.
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