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Old 02-18-2019, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Is the time right for medicare for all?

the 2020 elections will answer that question. some of the declared democrat presidential candidates have come out in favor of medicare for all. If one of the democrats who favor medicare for all wins the presidency and the democrats retake the senate, we can assume medicare for all was a priority for voters. likely, elected democrats controlling the legislative and executive branches would make it happen.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:46 AM
 
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Many democrats are calling for Medicare for all. When a fifth circuit judge from Texas can declare Obamacare unconstitutional, do we dare to scrap laws that are beyond review for a new law that may be challenged relentlessly. I favor a law that piggy backs on Medicare which allows a buy in to Medicare by those who cannot find jobs between 55 and 65 and those who are 55, working, but uninsured.


Medicare for all will not be viable until we have a Democratic majority in the Senate for at least a generation. We are the only nation among Western Nations without national health insurance.

why do you want the government running health care for americans? do you hate america that much? tell me one thing the government does well, especially these days? build roads? rubbish, they allow the companies to take far too much time, waste too much money and allow huge cost over runs. build airplanes? same thing. in fact the government is so inept at running anything that they could not even make money selling booze and sex.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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When will democrats realize that america is exceptional because it doesn't just do what everyone else is doing.



Up until recent years union membership in the private sector comprised 33%. The rest of the private sector attempted to keep up so that they wouldn't lose their best to union shops. Globalization and a determined effort by private sector owners to rid themselves of unions brought private sector unions below 10%. Benefits eroded with the decline in union membership.


Almost all of Europe enjoys 20 days of vacation or more, a dozen holidays, paid family leave, paid sick leave, pensions,and other benefits. Yes, America is exceptional. now that the unions have been knocked on their heels, we have nothing. Most of us can't afford to retire. It's not something to be proud of.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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why do you want the government running health care for americans? do you hate america that much? tell me one thing the government does well, especially these days? build roads? rubbish, they allow the companies to take far too much time, waste too much money and allow huge cost over runs. build airplanes? same thing. in fact the government is so inept at running anything that they could not even make money selling booze and sex.

Obviously you've lost faith in America. I haven't.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:04 AM
 
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Up until recent years union membership in the private sector comprised 33%. The rest of the private sector attempted to keep up so that they wouldn't lose their best to union shops. Globalization and a determined effort by private sector owners to rid themselves of unions brought private sector unions below 10%. Benefits eroded with the decline in union membership.


Almost all of Europe enjoys 20 days of vacation or more, a dozen holidays, paid family leave, paid sick leave, pensions,and other benefits. Yes, America is exceptional. now that the unions have been knocked on their heels, we have nothing. Most of us can't afford to retire. It's not something to be proud of.

you can blame that on the unions themselves, as they are the ones that have priced themselves out of the labor markets, for the most part. you want union labor in this country with all the attendant perks that go along with it, but then you buy crap from china, vietnam, india, mexico, and every other country with low labor costs, and then complain that you dont have a job making things anymore.



if you want american products, then buy only american products. buy an american TV instead of one from china, oh wait its nerly impossible to find american made tvs. ok then buy only american made computers. oh wait those are made in china as well for the most part.


its your precious unions that caused labor rates to skyrocket, and forced american companies to relocate their manufacturing overseas. and it doesnt help when government keeps adding on regulations that cost businesses money in huge amounts. which is why the economy took off when trump started cutting regulations across the board.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Is the time right for medicare for all?

the 2020 elections will answer that question. some of the declared democrat presidential candidates have come out in favor of medicare for all. If one of the democrats who favor medicare for all wins the presidency and the democrats retake the senate, we can assume medicare for all was a priority for voters. likely, elected democrats controlling the legislative and executive branches would make it happen.

The 2020 elections will answer that question. You are stating what may happen. I'm wondering if that is wise. The Supreme Court is remarkably partisan, conservatives are in the majority and the Koch brothers are not dead yet so there will be challenges to a new law that both insures all and makes the very rich pay for it.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:08 AM
 
Location: IL
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Here's why... Compare the effective federal income tax rate a typical US worker (average income) pays in the US: 3% or less (as reported by FAS: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45145.pdf), and around 15.4% when both employee and employer payroll (SS and Medicare) taxes are added, to the rate a typical worker (average income) pays in European countries. The effective national tax rate is in the second from the right column on page 9:

http://www.institutmolinari.org/IMG/...en-eu-2017.pdf

Do you think you can convince the average US income earner to pay a 45% effective federal tax rate? If so, feel free to do so. If they agree to pay an effective 45% effective federal tax rate, we can have Medicare for All.
Like I've said 10000000000000 times: if you really want a canadian or european style welfare state - please move there. You will have much better luck than trying to turn the US into that.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:09 AM
 
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We already have health care rationing. When an article starts off like this the bias is clear.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:09 AM
 
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Every time I look at my news feed (100's of sources) the examiner has the complete opposite headline of the others. Truly amazing. It's as if they attempt to do.

Obesity can be easily solved by food purity laws. I doubt we will find many beer drinkers who would come out against German beer purity laws...and the same ideas could be extended to other foods.

Capitalist lightly-regular junk food IS part of health.

This will all happen eventually. But I'm no fool...it's won't happen soon!

Churchill had the USA sussed out a LONG time ago....

"Americans will already do the right thing - AFTER all other possibilities have been exhausted".

We have broken the bank, borrowed from our children, killed millions of our compatriots (from stress, food and pollution, etc.) - but that's not enough. We must keep going until.....we get a clue!
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:11 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Im not sure about that, majority of people seem to support Govt when it steps in to regulate or restrict access to other dangerous products or drugs.


At one time people could buy all the Ephedrine pills they wanted at gas stations and convenience stores, they were marketed as diet and energy pills, but many people were using them to make meth and useing them like speed, Govt stepped in and restricted access to these once they started becoming a problem, NO one is complaining or saying those laws should be redacted.


Same thing with bath salts, they could also be bought at convenience stores and gas stations, but once health problems started, Govt stepped in and restricted access, for public health and safety reasons, again, no one complaining about that.


Why would people complain if Govt did the same thing with junk or fast food, when they have generally supported eveything else Govt has restricted access to (due to health or safety concerns)?
No need to restrict access to foods, just charge the obese a fat tax. Don't want to pay the fat tax? Don't eat too much crap and become obese.
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