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Old 03-25-2019, 09:36 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
Baloney.

The Russians interfered in our elections to help elect Trump. There is considerable evidence of this.

How much Trump and his campaign folks were involved with this is the question.

We still don't have a straight answer to that.
The report clearly says nobody on American soil colluded with Russia to effect the 2016 election




you can't handle the truth

 
Old 03-25-2019, 09:36 AM
 
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Elliot..as long as you continue to not read the report....

Please, read your own citation. Barr omitted and did not address the direct question of Roger Stone's communications with Guccifer and WikiLeaks. From Roger Stone's indictment:


During the summer of 2016, STONE spoke to senior Trump Campaign officials about Organization 1 and information it might have had that would be damaging to the Clinton Campaign. STONE was contacted by senior Trump Campaign officials to inquire about future releases by Organization 1. By in or around early August 2016, STONE was claiming both publicly and privately to have communicated with Organization 1. ... STONE also continued to communicate with members of the Trump Campaign about Organization 1 and its intended future releases.


The above is an important piece of the collusion puzzle. Clearly Barr cherry-picked and narrowly defined "collusion" to only be coordination with the Russian government. Barr is a partisan, non-neutral AG and this proves it. His letter is a biased piece of junk.
 
Old 03-25-2019, 09:37 AM
 
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This is far and away the most important finding of the Mueller investigation but everyone is focused on the so-called "exoneration". We now know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Russia attacked our election system on at least two fronts; troll farms set up to sway public opinion via social media, and secondly a group of Putin-directed hackers that infiltrated Democratic Party servers and other infrastructure right here in our homeland.

With these findings, Trump should be throwing down the gauntlet to Putin, but instead we only hear words of conciliation, and a working plan to remove all our troops from Syria which is pretty much a gift to Russia and Iran. There is more to this story and the public deserves to see it all. ALL the results, ALL the investigation.
yeah we know Russians posted memes and libs still want to use that as an excuse for their candidate losing
 
Old 03-25-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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Please, read your own citation. Barr omitted and did not address the direct question of Roger Stone's communications with Guccifer and WikiLeaks. From Roger Stone's indictment:


During the summer of 2016, STONE spoke to senior Trump Campaign officials about Organization 1 and information it might have had that would be damaging to the Clinton Campaign. STONE was contacted by senior Trump Campaign officials to inquire about future releases by Organization 1. By in or around early August 2016, STONE was claiming both publicly and privately to have communicated with Organization 1. ... STONE also continued to communicate with members of the Trump Campaign about Organization 1 and its intended future releases.


The above is an important piece of the collusion puzzle. Clearly Barr cherry-picked and narrowly
defined "collusion" to only be coordination with the Russian government. Barr is a partisan, non-neutral
AG and this proves it.
There is no "collusion puzzle."


That said, I sincerely hope the Democrats keep beating that dead horse. Should make Trump's re-election much easier.
 
Old 03-25-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GearHeadDave View Post
This is far and away the most important finding of the Mueller investigation but everyone is focused on the so-called "exoneration". We now know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Russia attacked our election system on at least two fronts, troll farms set up to sway public opinion via social media, and secondly group of hackers that infiltrated the Democratic Party servers.

With these findings, Trump should be throwing down the gauntlet to Putin, but instead we only hear words of conciliation, and a working plan to remove all our troops from Syria which is pretty much a gift to Russia and Iran. There is more to this story and the public deserves to see it all. ALL the results, ALL the investigation.

Maybe he isn't "throwing down the gauntlet" because we routinely meddle in other countries' elections to a much greater degree? Trying to sway public opinion is called "freedom of speech". Hacking DNC just illustrates why it was such a big deal that Hillary was using personal unsecured servers. And why are you so much more upset with the whistleblowers than the ones actually rigging the election?
 
Old 03-25-2019, 09:39 AM
 
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The democrats keep saying it is not done, it is done the A.G. said no obstruction, it was his call to make. This is why the democrats are going to lose big, they cannot accept results. Obama had his chance now let Trump have his and run the country.
 
Old 03-25-2019, 09:42 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
Please, read your own citation. Barr omitted and did not address the direct question of Roger Stone's communications with Guccifer and WikiLeaks. From Roger Stone's indictment:


During the summer of 2016, STONE spoke to senior Trump Campaign officials about Organization 1 and information it might have had that would be damaging to the Clinton Campaign. STONE was contacted by senior Trump Campaign officials to inquire about future releases by Organization 1. By in or around early August 2016, STONE was claiming both publicly and privately to have communicated with Organization 1. ... STONE also continued to communicate with members of the Trump Campaign about Organization 1 and its intended future releases.


The above is an important piece of the collusion puzzle. Clearly Barr cherry-picked and narrowly defined "collusion" to only be coordination with the Russian government. Barr is a partisan, non-neutral AG and this proves it. His letter is a biased piece of junk.
nothing about that implies collusion.


It implies that STONE was in fact seeking information from Org1 (we know as wikileaks). It is clear from the indictment that STONE didn't know what ORG 1 had.




They have NOT charged STONE with working with any foreign entity. They have charged him with lying to the feds and trying to intimidate other witnesses that were talking about STONE.




whatever he may or may not have done, it is clear from YOUR POST that STONE was in no way colluding with anyone.
 
Old 03-25-2019, 09:43 AM
 
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The democrats keep saying it is not done, it is done the A.G. said no obstruction, it was his call to make. This is why the democrats are going to lose big, they cannot accept results. Obama had his chance now let Trump have his and run the country.
vicious killers don't stop killing because you tell them they shouldn't kill.


The LEFT is nowhere near done. They will not stop until they have slaked their blood thirst. period.


IT IS WHO THEY ARE
 
Old 03-25-2019, 09:45 AM
 
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Let me put it in simple terms for you. You go to trial, and you can either be found guilty or not guilty, however, you might also end up with a hung jury. That means some of the people felt you were guilty but others were not so sure. With a hung jury, you could be retried later.

That is what happened here. Within Mueller's scope of operation, he found out a lot of things, but he left the interpretation of those facts up to the next people in line to determine if they were actionable. He did his job, and could not come out at the end and give Trump a clean bill of health, so he left it as it ended up.

Trump, and his followers are stretching that result to mean Trump is in the clear. That is not what this means at all. I realize a lot of people thought Mueller would come to Trump's door and arrest him at the end, but that isn't how it works.
Wrong "simple terms" explanation.

You're assuming that it has already gone to trial. In order for that to happen, there must be a preponderance of evidence. There is none. Well, none with regards to Trump. But that's a different discussion.

That is what is happening here. He found out things, but there isn't enough to even come close to being actionable.

Which means Trump is in the clear. I know liberals have a problem with that pesky "innocent until PROVEN guilty" thing, but that's what this means.
 
Old 03-25-2019, 09:46 AM
 
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If Mueller thought he had evidence....Mueller could have charged him..even Mueller didn't think there was anything actionable

..so Mueller deflected and passed it on to Barr..leaving it open...so Barr could look at it all and go either way

The wording is "legalese"...does and does not...Mueller was covering his butt, like he's supposed to and has to legally....so no matter which way Barr ruled...Mueller can't be accused of padding the evidence either way
But I do have a problem with Mueller using those words. A prosecutor's job is not to exonerate or prove innocence and he of all people knows this. It's like he was saying it to keep this mess going because he knew the idiots in Congress would latch onto it.
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