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Old 03-28-2019, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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First it doesn’t take a large amount of wind to make the fan blades start to turn, also electricity produced can be stored in batteries for use when needed. While it may not produce enough when wind is not moving it can replace many of our current fossil fuels which create pollution and are limited in quantities.
I hate to burst your bubble, but batteries(I assume you are referring to chemical batteries) are an absolutely terrible way to store large amounts of energy. Trying to store electricity in batteries would probably triple the cost of electricity. Let-alone the sheer amount of batteries required(are they lead-acid or lithium ion?).


Batteries have always been the weak-link for alternative energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...orage_projects

 
Old 03-28-2019, 05:42 PM
 
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I hate to burst your bubble, but batteries(I assume you are referring to chemical batteries) are an absolutely terrible way to store large amounts of energy. Trying to store electricity in batteries would probably triple the cost of electricity. Let-alone the sheer amount of batteries required(are they lead-acid or lithium ion?).


Batteries have always been the weak-link for alternative energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...orage_projects

Ancient Middle east had crude batteries, we could do it on such a larger scale like artificial lakes.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 05:53 PM
 
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But he blows hard all the time!
 
Old 03-28-2019, 06:39 PM
 
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“It only blows sometimes”

Trump is right -- at a 3rd grade level. However, the wind is always blowing somewhere in the USA. Always. And so if we were smart and we had our act together, we could improve the national grid so excess wind power can be sent to areas where the wind isn't blowing. Same thing with solar. Excess power from sunny places can be sent to cloudy areas.
That doesn't work well in practice, and its got nothing to do with "having your act" together. Do you really think that right now and all along in the entire history of the electrical grid, that people haven't considered and attempted to distribute excess power from one area to another? It isn't feasible to do that when there are entire large swaths of the country which are windless at any given moment and for long periods of time and that there are not suitable places everywhere in which to build windfarms.

There's lots of reasons why such a thing is infeasible, but the biggest one is that electrical transmission is a lossy process. Even highly optimized as it is already, about 6% of the power is lost in transmission and distribution.

And that's with most power being consumed regionally fairly close to generation sources. A massive proliferation of HV transmission lines is a blight on the landscape...and the last infrastructure that we should be building more of.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Ancient Middle east had crude batteries, we could do it on such a larger scale like artificial lakes.
Well, artificial lakes produce hydroelectric power, which is the best renewable energy source of all, but it requires a "fall" of like a hundred feet or more to produce the force needed to turn a turbine. So you need the proper topography for it to work properly, and a water source. And you would be changing the flow of a river, which will **** off the environmentalists.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 07:32 PM
 
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Well, artificial lakes produce hydroelectric power, which is the best renewable energy source of all, but it requires a "fall" of like a hundred feet or more to produce the force needed to turn a turbine. So you need the proper topography for it to work properly, and a water source. And you would be changing the flow of a river, which will **** off the environmentalists.

Yeah, but I don't think we need hydro power... but those fish farms in Oklahoma could become "baghdad batteries"
 
Old 03-28-2019, 07:43 PM
 
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Trump can’t convince me he was ever more than a college drop out. He must be the most ignorant liar we’ve ever had as President.
 
Old 03-28-2019, 08:02 PM
 
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“It only blows sometimes”

Trump is right -- at a 3rd grade level. However, the wind is always blowing somewhere in the USA. Always. And so if we were smart and we had our act together, we could improve the national grid so excess wind power can be sent to areas where the wind isn't blowing. Same thing with solar. Excess power from sunny places can be sent to cloudy areas.

I wish we had a leader who would promote science and technology instead of fighting it.
LOL!!!!

Except your explanation is not even close to be 3rd degree.

Yes the wind is always blowing somewhere. Just exactly how do you send electricity generated by wind from where it blows to where it doesn’t on the fly?
 
Old 03-28-2019, 08:21 PM
 
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“It only blows sometimes”

Trump is right -- at a 3rd grade level. However, the wind is always blowing somewhere in the USA. Always. And so if we were smart and we had our act together, we could improve the national grid so excess wind power can be sent to areas where the wind isn't blowing. Same thing with solar. Excess power from sunny places can be sent to cloudy areas.

I wish we had a leader who would promote science and technology instead of fighting it.
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LOL!!!!

Except your explanation is not even close to be 3rd degree.

Yes the wind is always blowing somewhere. Just exactly how do you send electricity generated by wind from where it blows to where it doesn’t on the fly?
Liberal magic! Wishful thinking!
 
Old 03-28-2019, 08:25 PM
 
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You need to get into the orange zones before landside wind speed gets commercially viable for a turbine with 30m (100ft) hub height.

https://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/30m_US_Wind.jpg

Want to have a ginormous 100m (300ft) hub height you get a lot more possibles but you still need 6 m/sec windspeed. Good luck finding any good sighting spots and tying into a mains/backbone grid (can't tie into local lines for such a size turbine since the operator needs to switch to coal or fossil power when your production drops off.) Good luck.

https://www.nrel.gov/gis/assets/pdfs..._m_2017_01.pdf
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