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Old 03-29-2019, 06:17 AM
 
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What did trump say that isnt true or is innacurate?

Would you like to be dependent on a dialysis machine thats powered by wind or solar?
Ever heard of batteries?

 
Old 03-29-2019, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Umm, he's completely correct.

Btw, there is another reason wind power is problematic, no one, especially the coastal moneyed liberals here in Massachusetts wants the turbines anywhere near them nor ruining their ocean and/or mountain views.
 
Old 03-29-2019, 06:26 AM
 
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Umm, he's completely correct.

Btw, there is another reason wind power is problematic, no one, especially the coastal moneyed liberals here in Massachusetts wants the turbines anywhere near them nor ruining their ocean and/or mountain views.
He's technically correct in that, yes, solar and wind generation on their own would not be reliable.

However, we have these people called engineers who solve problems... in a real world scenario where solar and wind were used as primary power generation, battery storage would be used to keep power delivery consistent during non sunny or windy periods.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/tes...edison/435171/
 
Old 03-29-2019, 06:27 AM
 
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Ever heard of batteries?
Uh I think everyone knows who the energizer bunny is.
 
Old 03-29-2019, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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First it doesn’t take a large amount of wind to make the fan blades start to turn, also electricity produced can be stored in batteries for use when needed. While it may not produce enough when wind is not moving it can replace many of our current fossil fuels which create pollution and are limited in quantities.

Nuclear power cost a lot to build the plants and while producing large amounts it also has the drawback that radioactive waste must be kept away from living things basically forever. So it’s storage and protection will cost money.

I think right now solar and wind can’t replace all our other sources of energy production but can take the place of a large amount of it
So it's a supplemental and not primary power source. The President thanks you for making his point.
 
Old 03-29-2019, 06:30 AM
 
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He's technically correct in that, yes, solar and wind generation on their own would not be reliable.

However, we have these people called engineers who solve problems... in a real world scenario where solar and wind were used as primary power generation, and not augmented by other power sources, battery storage would be used to keep power delivery consistent during non sunny or windy periods.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/tes...edison/435171/

Haha. So that huge facility can only store 80MWh. That's just 80MW in just one hour. Then it's empty.



The average nuclear power plant produces 2300MWh every single hour of the day.
 
Old 03-29-2019, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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He's technically correct in that, yes, solar and wind generation on their own would not be reliable.

However, we have these people called engineers who solve problems... in a real world scenario where solar and wind were used as primary power generation, and not just augmenting existing power plants, battery storage would be used to keep power delivery consistent during non sunny or windy periods.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/tes...edison/435171/
Which by your own admission have not solved this problem yet.

Count me as one who would love to see it happen, but in order to produce enough energy to supply all the energy needs of the US, a wind farm the size of Connecticut would have to be maintained offshore and it would be the equivalent of 600,000 Statue of Liberties doing windmills with her arms sitting off someone's coast.

That's a tough sell.
 
Old 03-29-2019, 06:40 AM
 
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Haha. So that huge facility can only store 80MWh. That's just 80MW in just one hour. Then it's empty.



The average nuclear power plant produces 2300MWh every single hour of the day.
Currently the system is designed to provide supplementary power to the grid during high demand. As storage technology improves, we may be able to take more conventional power generation off line. It's not going to be an overnight replacement of all conventional plants.

We're moving in the right direction at least.
 
Old 03-29-2019, 06:43 AM
 
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Currently the system is designed to provide supplementary power to the grid during high demand. As storage technology improves, we may be able to take more conventional power generation off line. It's not going to be an overnight replacement of all conventional systems.... nobody said that.

We're moving in the right direction at least.
There's your problem. Case closed. Musk is one of the biggest scammers of government tax money in the world. He get's the government to pay him to put a tremendous number of batteries in a facility that only provides a pinprick of power, and walks away laughing all the way to the bank.



Thankfully under Trump that kind of nonsense is finished. The numbers speak for themselves.



Leftists of course are left with "Orange Man Bad" spun to them by the MSM over the matter like that of the OP.
 
Old 03-29-2019, 06:45 AM
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Currently the system is designed to provide supplementary power to the grid during high demand. As storage technology improves, we may be able to take more conventional power generation off line. It's not going to be an overnight replacement of all conventional plants.

We're moving in the right direction at least.
The UK has a number of laerge offshore wind farms, and wind power now produces nearly 20% of UK electricity, with plans to expand this to over one third.

Wind power in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

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