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Old 04-13-2019, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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There is no better representative of the Grim Reaper than PP.
So if abortion was banned, there would be amateurs out to make money giving illegal abortions. Do you much prefer that?
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Old 04-13-2019, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Follow the conversation.

I posted that PP does more abortions than pap smears, than breast exam, and then well women visit.

Poster directly accused me of not being about to back those statements up with a "credible source" and posted some link to something else as "proof" I was wrong.

Thanks for asking. Now other posters will understand my post without backtracking through the entire conversation. And go to PP's annual report to see for themselves.

So yes. My statements are 100% accurate according to Planned Parenthoods 2017-2018 Annual Report. They do way more abortions and fewer "health services" than they present to the media.

Here's the link again: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/up...port18-p01.pdf
Apart from the fact that you are wrong about the numbers of those services being less than the number of abortions - according to your own link - PP provided services to 2,400,000 people. Of those, 332,757 had abortions. That means that less than 14% had abortions. PP provides far more other services than abortions. The link you gave proves it.

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I find it difficult to believe that this pos took her to an actual doctor in an actual clinic, and no one there would have reported what was going on.

The only place that doesn't is Planned Parenthood. They don't give a flying cow's rump about females. They only care about the money. As long as that old, nasty pervert kept bringing that kid in, they didn't mind - it just meant more money for them.

A doctor not reporting a 12 year old with an old man coming in for an abortion, repeatedly, doesn't even sound close to reality.
I do not believe that we know she was ever taken to Planned Parenthood. Link, please?

She was not coming in repeatedly at age 12. There is no way she had seven abortions at that age.

Edited to add: according to this link, provided by Shadowne earlier in the thread, the abortions did not happen until she was over 17:

https://flaglerlive.com/135285/leon-wiley-jr/

"When she was 17, he had a friend allegedly come over to the Palm Coast house to have sex with her as well. The girl, according to the arrest report, got pregnant “approximately seven (7) times during those incidents.” Each time, Wiley would take the girl to a clinic in Orlando or Ft. Lauderdale to get an abortion."

She was therefore either a 17 year old minor accompanied by her stepfather or 18 and able to consent for herself.

What were the people providing her care supposed to report?

Florida age of consent:

https://www.ageofconsent.net/states/florida

"Florida statutory rape law is violated when a person has consensual sexual intercourse with an individual under Age 18. Close in age exemptions exist, allowing minors aged 16 or 17 to engage in sexual intercourse with a partner no older than age 23."

Do you think stepdad was going to be honest about how his victim got pregnant and admit she was raped? All he had to say if she was 17 was that her 17 year old boyfriend got her pregnant and she engaged in consensual sex with him. The victim was too scared to tell anyone the truth.

Don't try to dump this on Planned Parenthood or whoever performed the abortions. It's all on Wiley.

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Old 04-14-2019, 04:10 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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That "women's health" paragon could have reported this child being brought in for abortions

7 abortions and they simply didn't care - makes them complicit in my opinion -- most Normal People would agree whether they approve of abortion or not.

Baby at 13 and then 7 abortions - he only used 2 clinics, no way they didn't know there was a big problem here. Of course, then they would have lost the $$$$ for those abortions.
You missed my point.

If pro-lifers had their way and abortion was illegal there would be no clinics and he would have taken her to a back street abortionist or tried to do it himself and she would probably have ended up dead.

So, how exactly is closing abortion clinics going to stop men from raping little girls?

Seems like pro-lifers are more upset that little girls aren't forced to give birth than they are about them being raped in the first place.

Pro-lifers care more about fetuses than they do about children.....after a fetus is born "not my problem".
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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So if abortion was banned, there would be amateurs out to make money giving illegal abortions. Do you much prefer that?
Of course they do, their goal is to punish women. The harsher the punishment the better.
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:17 AM
 
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Rapists should be raped so they can fully grasp the horrors of their actions. Eye for an eye say I.
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:20 AM
 
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Her mother began dating the man, so that's a mention of her mother.

I used to teach childbirth, and had a class of 7 12 year olds who were pregnant.

No investigations were done on them, either.

If the parents don't make an accusation, statutory rape is rarely investigated.
It’s sad there were so many pregnant 12 year olds. Truly heartbreaking.
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Old 04-14-2019, 12:46 PM
 
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Rapists should be raped so they can fully grasp the horrors of their actions. Eye for an eye say I.
The average rapist has no empathy. I say castration should be the punishment for a proven rapist.
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Old 04-14-2019, 01:05 PM
 
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You missed my point.

If pro-lifers had their way and abortion was illegal there would be no clinics and he would have taken her to a back street abortionist or tried to do it himself and she would probably have ended up dead.

So, how exactly is closing abortion clinics going to stop men from raping little girls?

Seems like pro-lifers are more upset that little girls aren't forced to give birth than they are about them being raped in the first place.

Pro-lifers care more about fetuses than they do about children.....after a fetus is born "not my problem".
I would never dignify them by referring to them by their chosen handle. They are ant-choicers and nothing more.

SAVE THE FETUS/SCREW THE CHILD
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:09 PM
 
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https://www.wftv.com/news/local/man-...-say/938198696



All the hysterical right wingers here are blaming PP, but remember, she likely didn't start having abortions till she was 18 and older, and at that age, you can have them legally without consent from the parents. This depends on your state but in FL this would have been allowed.

The whole article reeks of very poor reporting. There is literally no mention of her parents, which is integral to the story. You don't just have a baby at 14, out of the blue. There would have been some sort of investigation, etc. CPS would have gotten involved also.
She likely didn't start having abortions till she was 18? Then why did the man take her to PP to have them. I would say she was having them as long as she was having sex which started at the age of 12 when he started raping her and letting his friends rape her. This has sex trafficking all over it. PP does not care about our children except for the bottom line of the money they take in each year.

CPS could have gotten involved----IF PP HAD REPORTED IT. Yes, her mother should be responsible as well. They should all go to jail for what was done to this girl and others in her position.

Why are you saying right wingers? So you think leftists would not care when something like this happens? That is what you think of liberals?
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:16 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQpz6qartl4

Abby Johnson Breaks Down Planned Parenthood’s Annual Report
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