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When a woman is pregnant, it means she is carrying a baby.
If she gets an abortion, the baby is killed. She will no longer be carrying a baby.
Abortions = kill babies.
Logic 101.
No matter how many times you deny this fact? It's still a fact.
When a woman is pregnant she is carrying a fetus.
Until that fetus can survive on its own outside the womb of the mother it is not a life.
Abortions before viability remove a fetus from a mother rather than killing a baby.
Logic 202 (the upper division course that you missed)
No need to reply. I think everyone here gets your point. The problem is that most of us just don't agree with it. Our position is the law. Yours is simply a personal opinion.
When a woman is pregnant, it means she is carrying a baby.
If she gets an abortion, the baby is killed. She will no longer be carrying a baby.
Abortions = kill babies.
Logic 101.
No matter how many times you deny this fact? It's still a fact.
In other words, you quite passionately want a law passed requiring all pregnant women to give birth. Failure to do so would mean murder charges filed against the woman with up to life in prison given if convicted. If the woman has any babies at home, it would not matter.
Until that fetus can survive on its own outside the womb of the mother it is not a life.
Abortions before viability remove a fetus from a mother rather than killing a baby.
Logic 202 (the upper division course that you missed)
No need to reply. I think everyone here gets your point. The problem is that most of us just don't agree with it. Our position is the law. Yours is simply a personal opinion.
Well no. There are some people who still believe that an abortion doesn't kill a life. At all. They think it is a medical procedure, like having a tooth removed.
It's not. It kills a baby. That's the whole point, right? To make sure the woman does not become a mother. And how do you do that? Make sure the baby is DEAD.
But it's sure easier to sleep at night pretending you're not killing a baby.
Does everyone who cant survive independently need to be killed? That's a LOT of people who meet that definition in daycares, assisted living facilities, and hospitals. All babies are NOT independent. A lot of elderly are not independent.
Well no. There are some people who still believe that an abortion doesn't kill a life. At all. They think it is a medical procedure, like having a tooth removed.
It's not. It kills a baby. That's the whole point, right? To make sure the woman does not become a mother. And how do you do that? Make sure the baby is DEAD.
But it's sure easier to sleep at night pretending you're not killing a baby.
Does everyone who cant survive independently need to be killed? That's a LOT of people who meet that definition in daycares, assisted living facilities, and hospitals. All babies are NOT independent. A lot of elderly are not independent.
Laws don't reflect right behavior.
So says you.
The law--at least right now--says something different. The law says that something which cannot survive on its own is not life.
That is the crux of it and its something you choose to ignore.
This is America and you are entitled to your opinion. You and your buddies on the conservative right are free never to have an abortion. What you are not entitled to do is prevent those women who want an abortion before they have a viable fetus from doing so.
The law--at least right now--says something different. The law says that something which cannot survive on its own is not life.
That is the crux of it and its something you choose to ignore.
This is America and you are entitled to your opinion. You and your buddies on the conservative right are free never to have an abortion. What you are not entitled to do is prevent those women who want an abortion before they have a viable fetus from doing so.
Do you really need to have it explained to you that a woman choosing to abort a fetus legally per the laws in her state is different than someone purposefully killing her and by extension the fetus?
In scenario 1, the actions are LEGAL and by her choice hence NOT murder in the eyes of the law.
In scenario 2, the actions are ILLEGAL and not by her choice hence it IS murder in the eyes of the law.
I’m sure you’ll come back with “it’s murder either way”. That’s your opinion, which counts for nothing within the legal system. /shrug/
I would have to guess that it is because a reckless driver or a gunman who harms a pregnant woman and destroys the life inside her has taken something from her without her permission. If she chooses to eliminate the life inside her voluntarily, then it was her choice. (there's that word "choice" again.)
I am using the word "life" in both instances, because that is accurate. Some here are mistakenly saying an embryo or a fetus is not "life." A single-called bacterium or yeast, or a sprouted seed, is "life," so an embryo certainly is as well. The difference, which many are misstating, is when "legal personhood" begins.
So yes, abortion ends an entity that is biologically alive but is not a person with legal protections under the law. That does not mean someone can kill it against the mother's wishes, hence feticide laws. (I dont know if "fetal homicide" is an actual legal term.)
A pregnant woman is part of a privileged group that is allowed to kill.
If she kills her own baby, it's all good.
If someone else does? It's murder.
Quite a quandry.
And you are trying to make women the only class of people who can be forced to risk their life and health to save the life of another.
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