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Old Today, 05:03 PM
 
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"Burger flipping" is not a career. It is a job for a teenager who is looking to gain experience in the workforce, so they can move on to better jobs in the future. If you are trying to raise a family on a burger flipping income, that's not the fault of conservatives. That is the fault of the individual who thinks jobs should pay based on need of the the worker, instead of the wages deemed appropriate for the job by the free market, and the worker's own ability to create value.



Illegals are criminals and have no right to be here. They have no right to utilize welfare programs. Your logic fails again.
Could you refer me to an authority in charge of deciding what jobs are real and what are not?
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Old Today, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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"Burger flipping" is not a career. It is a job for a teenager who is looking to gain experience in the workforce, so they can move on to better jobs in the future. If you are trying to raise a family on a burger flipping income, that's not the fault of conservatives.



Illegals are criminals and have no right to be here. They have no right to utilize welfare programs. Your logic fails again.
Says who? When did cooking become a high-school-only job? A job is a job. You can't decide one full-time position is beneath an adult to work. What about security guards that just sit at a post all night? A bus driver that just follows a route using a skill set they picked up at 16? This love of reasoning is easily of one of the stupidest arguments that Conservatives repeatedly trot out.

Follow the discussion... The OTHER poster brought up that they should be using welfare (I don't get his point, but whatever).
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Old Today, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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You made a statement... Jobs Americans don't want to do. I gave you the reason why.
Again... So your holding it against illegals that they're too honest to jump on welfare? You guys always bring up how illegals are scamming welfare. Now you're mad that they're not scamming welfare?
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Old Today, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Could you refer me to an authority in charge of deciding what jobs are real and what are not?

It's called free market capitalism, and we all have a say as consumers with our spending dollars. By all means, give those workers a tip, I would absolutely support that. Just don't expect to force the rest of society to make spending decisions based on your feels. And if you think you're going to force the rest of society to suffer for the underachievers in our society, you can take a hike, not going to happen here in America. We have charities that help people when they are down and out, but to drag the rest of society down is immoral and completely unethical.

What are they teaching in college these days, this is stuff we learned in middle school
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Old Today, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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It's called free market capitalism, and we all have a say as consumers with our spending dollars. By all means, give those workers a tip, I would absolutely support that. Just don't expect to force the rest of society to make spending decisions based on your feels. And if you think you're going to force the rest of society to suffer for the underachievers in our society, you can take a hike, not going to happen here in America. We have charities that help people when they are down and out, but to drag the rest of society down is immoral and completely unethical.

What are they teaching in college these days, this is stuff we learned in middle school
Now you're just regurgitating taking points. How did you come up with the logic that a job is beneath an adult to work? You guys literally argue that picking fruits from a field is something that Americans should be doing. But flipping burgers is beneath adult? Please explain your logic so the rest of us understand.
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Old Today, 05:31 PM
 
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What? Republicans have been to Taiwan looking for yachts where they work for $1 month
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Old Today, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Now you're just regurgitating taking points. How did you come up with the logic that a job is beneath an adult to work? You guys literally argue that picking fruits from a field is something that Americans should be doing. But flipping burgers is beneath adult? Please explain your logic so the rest of us understand.

Flipping burgers never paid a living wage. Can you explain why it should today? As democrats have explained to you before, customers will not pay $10 for a hamburger made by a human when a basic food assembly line run by a robot can make the same burger for $3 or $4. Stop fighting the free market, you will get crushed, and there is nothing political about it. People are not going to buy enough expensive low quality fast food to pay a worker enough to raise a family. You can blame conservatives all you want, but it is not our fault, and it certainly is not our problem when you reject free market capitalism in the USA.

And we have guest visa or worker programs for farmers to hire seasonal workers from other countries to pick fruits and vegetables. No one is really complaining about that. We just don't want open borders and millions of illegals entering. We are a sovereign nation and have a right to secure our nation's borders.
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Old Today, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Flipping burgers never paid a living wage. Can you explain why it should today?
That's irrelevant that it never paid a living wage. Does that position generate profit for the company? If yes, then wages should be commensurate with the profit it generates. Simple math and business operations.
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Old Today, 05:42 PM
 
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Flipping burgers never paid a living wage. Can you explain why it should today? As democrats have explained to you before, customers will not pay $10 for a hamburger made by a human when a basic food assembly line run by a robot can make the same burger for $3 or $4. Stop fighting the free market, you will get crushed, and there is nothing political about it. People are not going to buy enough expensive low quality fast food to pay a worker enough to raise a family. You can blame conservatives all you want, but it is not our fault, and it certainly is not our problem when you reject free market capitalism in the USA.

And we have guest visa or worker programs for farmers to hire seasonal workers from other countries to pick fruits and vegetables. No one is really complaining about that. We just don't want open borders and millions of illegals entering. We are a sovereign nation and have a right to secure our nation's borders.
Any work visas for burger flipping? What else? Customers already pay more than $10 per fast food meal, burgers alone push $10 a piece.
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Old Today, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Flipping burgers never paid a living wage. Can you explain why it should today? As democrats have explained to you before, customers will not pay $10 for a hamburger made by a human when a basic food assembly line run by a robot can make the same burger for $3 or $4. Stop fighting the free market, you will get crushed, and there is nothing political about it. People are not going to buy enough expensive low quality fast food to pay a worker enough to raise a family. You can blame conservatives all you want, but it is not our fault, and it certainly is not our problem when you reject free market capitalism in the USA.

And we have guest visa or worker programs for farmers to hire seasonal workers from other countries to pick fruits and vegetables. No one is really complaining about that. We just don't want open borders and millions of illegals entering. We are a sovereign nation and have a right to secure our nation's borders.
Then let the market decide. Don't say that we shouldn't pay adults bc the job they're working is for kids. A job is a job. It's there to serve a business purpose. If that people generates revenue, then it's open to discussion about fair & equitable wages.

Your defense of picking fruits on the field doesn't change the fact that you think picking fruits in a field is legitimate work for an adult but flipping burgers is not. I'm still waiting for the logic behind that
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