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They obviously do not want a legitimate discussion and simply aren't capable of having it because they have no understanding of the topic beyond their own biases. The entire premise for this tread is to legitimize racial prejudices.
According to the left. Native Americans and blacks are without sin. Slavery is a universal concept throughout human civilization. The left blames white for slavery as they should. But many in white liberal social justice academia and black academics forget that Africans stole and sold other Africans to the Europeans for goods and services. Some also forget that European slaves also existed in the colonies as well before it was replaced by indentured servitude, than back to pure slavery up until 1865. Also Native Americans owned black slaves, and even European slaves too. We also must not forget that slavery is a class in the economic systems. Either way slavery is still a moral wrong, but slavery and its history in America is a very touchy and toxic subject to talk about. Its really a topic to avoid and stay away from unless one is emotional or feels oppressed.
I agree- The Indians had it coming. They were a primitive, stone age, savage groups of people who were constantly at war with each other and valued war as a cornerstone of their existence. Their cruel barbarity had no place in civilization and had to be altered or eliminated.
The beliefs of the Indians were incompatible with western civilization and thus were to be eliminated or assimilated. This is what happens 100% of the time when a more advanced civilization encounters a more primitive, less developed civilization.
My ancestors were some of the first Americans and fought the savages in the early Indian Wars of the 1600s. The barbarity of what the Indians did has been under reported and the myth of the noble, peaceful savage has been perpetuated by the left. In the Prince Phillip Wars, 1/3 of the colonists in America were killed by the Indians- one third. That is the highest casuality rate ever sustained by Americans/colonists.
Colonization was a game of kill or be killed. Current libs owe their very existence to the fact that early colonists triumphed over the savages and brought western civilization to the continent.
We had a terrible war, which legally ended slavery. That was followed by 100 years of lax enforcement, Jim Crow and oppression both in law and in practice across the south. Today, we are still living with the impact of 345 or so years of that history.
Do you think that in 1865, suddenly everything was hunky-dory?
Perhaps not but I'd certainly classify it as one hell of a reckoning. The death toll in 2020 terms would be around 17 million dead with another 35 million who would never be the same through wounds or lingering illness.
I agree- The Indians had it coming. They were a primitive, stone age, savage groups of people who were constantly at war with each other and valued war as a cornerstone of their existence. Their cruel barbarity had no place in civilization and had to be altered or eliminated.
The beliefs of the Indians were incompatible with western civilization and thus were to be eliminated or assimilated. This is what happens 100% of the time when a more advanced civilization encounters a more primitive, less developed civilization.
My ancestors were some of the first Americans and fought the savages in the early Indian Wars of the 1600s. The barbarity of what the Indians did has been under reported and the myth of the noble, peaceful savage has been perpetuated by the left. In the Prince Phillip Wars, 1/3 of the colonists in America were killed by the Indians- one third. That is the highest casuality rate ever sustained by Americans/colonists.
Colonization was a game of kill or be killed. Current libs owe their very existence to the fact that early colonists triumphed over the savages and brought western civilization to the continent.
To force confessions out of a victim a rat would be placed on their stomachs, covered by a pot. Heat would be applied to the pot, which would cause the rat to panic and begin to dig through the victim’s stomach.
Iron Chair
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A popular torture device, the iron chair was a chair containing hundreds of sharp spikes. The victim would be strapped onto the chair, and as the straps were gradually tightened, the spikes would tear deeper into the flesh.
The Judas Cradle
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Perhaps the goriest and most unpleasant of them all, the Judas cradle forced the victims anus or vagina onto a sharp spike, and increased pressure was added (sometimes with weights) to gradually tear the insides of the victim apart.
Thumbscrew
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Much as it sounds, this small yet agonising torture device involved placing a screw through the victims thumb and turning.
Flogging
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Flogging was also commonplace. Beating the victim repeatedly, usually with a leather whip until they confessed or slipped into unconsciousness. Some people even flogged themselves, often as part of a religious ritual and form of self-punishment for committing “sins.”
The Cage
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The cage was a metal cage just big enough to fit a human into but not big enough to move. The victim would be left there without food or water until a confession was admitted. If not, they would simply be left to die. This was also used as a Medieval execution method, where the victim would typically be hung in the cage in a public place and left to die.
Iron Maiden
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The Iron Maiden was a metal chamber with holes in it. The victim would be locked inside and have metal poles prodded through. The interrogator would then ask questions through the holes and only stop prodding into the victim’s flesh once they felt a worthy confession had been given.
How do we reconcile the facts that; Native Americans enslaved other Native Americans, Africans enslaved other Africans and Russian slavery did not have racial restrictions, all over the world people enslaved each other. But in America slavery became a distinctly racial institution.
The 1619 Project is the fallacy of "but for this one thing" in a verbose, guilt ridden format. It ironically tries to prove the point of the Confederacy by claiming that without slavery, nothing is possible.
The modern day equivalent is found in the bizarre argument supporting illegal immigration by pondering how people will get their gardening, landscaping and housecleaning done without illegals, and if that stuff isn't being done by others, rich, smartypants, boujie white people can't get to the business of progress, so without Mexican maids and Guatemalan landscapers, apparently America grinds to a halt. That's the specious argument made by the 1619 Project.
Without African slaves - AND ONLY African slaves - farming, building, skilled trades, technology and invention...none of it happens. If African slaves are not doing manual farm labor, America as we know it never occurs. Analogous and running parallel to the illegal immigrant thing is the notion that the low/medium wage black person is THE backbone of America. This is based on the myth that at no point have whites ever done manual labor, skilled blue collar trades, or ever broken a sweat in their lives. To believe that is to ignore the agrarian past of like 98% of the population of Europe from oh...the Dark Ages until the Industrial Revolution, where peasants (un/low skilled) and serfs (mid pay, skilled) were the rule, not the exception, and manual labor was the daily reality of everyone except the aristocracy, who got their lifestyles via birthright. Poverty, manual labor and little to no saved or accumulated wealth EVER was the general rule for virtually all of Europe for like 1500 years.
My point there is the folks who settled in America were manual laborers, either skilled or unskilled. Basically, a bunch of farmers with a smattering of craftsmen. That would be standard European population sampling given the previous 1500 years before they set sail to the "new world" And Europe, in case anyone missed it, was doing fine with progress, culture, advancement, knowledge, etc for a good long while without employing African slaves...because they had so many poor but skilled white people to choose from.
It's laughably ignorant to suggest that ONLY African slaves suffered mistreatment, and ONLY African slaves did manual labor, and ONLY African slaves were discriminated against as inferior humans, etc. Europe's aristocracy had been discriminating against "down caste" (where the shortened/conjoined phrase comes from) whites for millennia, and African slaves were just another "not aristocrat" group to be treated like garbage. When the Irish fled the Potato Famine of 1845-1849, they were heavily discriminated against all across America, especially in the NE cities where they gravitated to, and they came from the heritage of being the last large slave population the British made use of before the Brits became "evolved" and outlawed slavery. A lot of that same goes for Polish, Italian, etc immigrants who came from somewhere other than Great Britain, France or Germany.
Notice how we haven';t even gotten to the Eastern Asian immigrants yet, and the Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese Americans could teach volumes to African Americans on what recent, post 1865 and 1964 racial discrimination looks like.
Is discrimination built in to America's DNA? Well, it is baked into the DNA of the bourgeoisie and aristocracy, but that is true throughout history (even in Africa, and especially in modern day Africa and Asia) and geography. The most rigid caste systems still left on Earth are indeed in Africa primarily and scattered about Asia. You are born into wealth or slavery, and you don't move from one caste to another. That is daily reality in the African "homelands" and a ton of Asia. A well educated American journalist doing a well funded history project would know that.
African Americans like to think they have the franchise on being mistreated, but the reality is they are just another race demographic that has the majority of its population existing outside the 1%, thus looked down upon by that 1%. History is pretty clear on this basic concept, and African Americans are just one of countless groups on non-aristocracy in the world who think they have had it the toughest.
The 1619 Project is a historically ignorant (intentionally or otherwise, still ignorant) complaint with big words and lots of race guilt. It fundamentally requires ignorance and misplaced, selfish guilt in order to have any impact whatsoever. The good thing is that America gets more ignorant by the day, and the reading of the 1619 project will be done by maybe 100 people ever because well...it will be written down, and who wants to read anymore? I kinda like that bit of symmetry though - a well funded attempt to make people more ignorant will largely fail because of the general desire among the populace to avoid books and learning in order to stay ignorant.
When we founded our nation on that pesky "all men are created equal" thing, we created an obligation to address those times when we, as a nation, have lived contrary to that principle. The history of other nations, while they may be contrary to this principle, should not impact our moral imperative to uphold it. That otherwise good people were ever a part of this practice is irrelevant. That there were nefarious people everywhere upholding this practice throughout history is irrelevant. That entire nations were built on the system of slave labor is irrelevant. That indentured servitude and feudal states existed is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is that we, as a nation, woke up to the fact that slavery is/was/ever shall be wrong. Blaming history will not change the fact that slavery was a barbaric, backward, horror of a chapter in our nation. It was wrong, no matter who was involved or when. '
Thank you. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. When this country put it in the Preamble "all men are created equal", this country should have lived up to it the whole way.
How do we reconcile the facts that; Native Americans enslaved other Native Americans, Africans enslaved other Africans and Russian slavery did not have racial restrictions, all over the world people enslaved each other. But in America slavery became a distinctly racial institution.
Slavery is always about racism. That’s how humans have justified it since the beginning.
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