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Old 09-19-2019, 09:35 PM
 
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Why did so many people buy into the stupid idea of timeshares? There is a sucker born every minute.
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Old 09-19-2019, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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Then there are the wonders of a person being "Free to Choose" as was written about by Milton Friedman in his book by titled, "Free To Choose".


For those too lazy to read Milton Friedman's book, he even created a 10 part video series on the subject, which is still available online via YouTube at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3N2...64ACCE6C7E9D8E

Yes, it is about 10 hours of video... BUT it is some of the most factual economic theory you will EVER find compiled in a single collection. You can choose to be educated or can continue to wind your way through the maze of BS economics that are being hurled at you, hoping that one day you'll figure it out.
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Old 09-19-2019, 09:55 PM
 
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The very concept goes against the very nature of humans. We can't all be "equal", there are lots of smart and lots of stupid people, and the smart ones naturally will gain more, so why did so many in the 20th century actually think the concept of Communism was ever good or could even work? There's a reason every Communist country has ALWAYS been ruled by the worst dictators ever.
From what I noticed and read from 20th century history. Socialism was the biggest thing in the 20th century. The failure of empire, the failure of economics led many to fall into socialist society's in which socialism controlled the means of production, guaranteed workers with equal protection, job Healthcare and so forth.

I don't want to talk about communnism alone. I would like to mention both forms of socialism such a communism and facsim. Both forms of governance and economics became very popular after the fall of the global economy in 1929. That year swayed many to either support communism or facisit ideologies which are stem from socialism.
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Old 09-19-2019, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Bought into it in the 20th Century? How about right now? Have you looked at the Dem's line up?
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Old 09-20-2019, 02:37 AM
 
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Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

Not necessarily the same thing as Communism there because Communism on a massive scale completely disregards the ordinary people, instead focusing entirely on delivering the promised Marxist Utopia, no matter how many common people are slaughtered along the way.

The really weird thing is Populism perfectly describes what the Democrats used to bill themselves as: The party for the common people. The party that fights the big corporations on behalf of the poor and downtrodden. Weird how that notion has been almost entirely abandoned by Democrats.

Communism almost always begins with Populism - by appealing to the ordinary people, often with promises of taking down an unfair system. As most ordinary people is not rich, not that educated, and tend to live outside of cities; Communism often rile the ordinary people against the richer urban elites. Where Populism enters into Communism is when it promises to help the ordinary people by taking down the educated urban elites and then take the elites' assets and share them.

Any political system, including Communism and Populism, can disregard ordinary people; often by promising to help them but in fact hurt them. Take this trade war, many farmers, other workers and businesses are hurt by it; but it is done in the spirit of trying to help them.

The GOP is now happily mired in populism, at least a very right-wing version of it. While China, who never really practices communism, is moving further away and more towards capitalism in addition to the fascism/authoritarianism that it has always exhibited. So, the two sides currently overlaps quite a bit in terms of their ideology. Which explains why the CCP and Trump essentially is behaving in similar fashion in this trade war.

The Democrats has evolved as the US economy has evolved - while in the past we are factory workers, nowadays most Americans work in offices. We are now less worried about poor working conditions and more concern about building wealth - so things like banks, loans, and equal pay now come into play. In the past, banks and loans are what the rich worry about. Now, they are the issues of the middle class and lower because this nation is getting richer (even if some don't feel it) and the Dems are evolving with the times.
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Old 09-20-2019, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Then there are the wonders of a person being "Free to Choose" as was written about by Milton Friedman in his book by titled, "Free To Choose".


For those too lazy to read Milton Friedman's book, he even created a 10 part video series on the subject, which is still available online via YouTube at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3N2...64ACCE6C7E9D8E

Yes, it is about 10 hours of video... BUT it is some of the most factual economic theory you will EVER find compiled in a single collection. You can choose to be educated or can continue to wind your way through the maze of BS economics that are being hurled at you, hoping that one day you'll figure it out.
Yes, should be a required textbook in Macroeconomics 101.
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Old 09-20-2019, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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^^^ In the pre-government vacuum, Kingdoms evolved very quickly, in which one person endeavored to live at the expense of everyone else.
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Old 09-20-2019, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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Problem with Marx's theory on Communism is that he doesn't take into account one behavioral trait of humankind, Human Nature. It's Human Nature to want to do better than the other average person.

Also, Marx wrote his Communist Manifesto in a different time and era. That was when the industrial revolution was in full swing and workers did not have rights and sanitary working conditions.



I believe Theodore Roosevelts advisors, advised him to do something or the revolution will come to the United States and it will be bloody.
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Old 09-20-2019, 06:39 AM
 
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As you expand the number of people, "communism" breaks down...
Exactly like Capitalism.

People are different.. Just One person can have such a toxic personality that will ruin things for 100 people!!!

In both cases, it makes people worse of, with a tiny extremely wealthy elite!!


People living tighter, need ground rules.
Do we need roads?
Do we need courts?
Do we need somebody to police that?
Do we need to take care of people who are sick?
Do we need to school people into complex jobs?


The more complex a system becomes, the more rules, laws and government officials are needed.
Removing all those, capitalism will not explode and everybody will be better of... No.. it will be a dog eat dog society again!
Thats anarchism!!


We have laws that span 1000 years back in time... I can feel pretty cocky (Like the Right-wingers) and say I dont want to live under those laws.. they are constricting on me and putting the boot of government on me.
Well.. they also created the best country to live in the world and insured that I have had such a great life, so secure in fact that I can complain about the laws that made my life so "oppressive".
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Old 09-20-2019, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Throughout history there have always been those ruled by envy and greed, and themselves infested by incompetence and slot. There are always those that look at what others have earned and produced, and tried to justify ways to take it without paying for it. They ignore the fact that business success takes a great deal of intelligence, effort and even a certain amount of luck. They ignore the fact that most successful businesses are started by those that have tried, invested everything and failed multiple times before hitting it big.

Those greedy people look at successful people and justify taking from them for themselves. What they fail to consider is that there are always people that are poorer or even less successful that will in turn demand that what they have be taken and redistributed.

Communism by definition is a race to the bottom, one where every person is equally impoverished and miserable. Such a system benefits the lowest of society-they get what they have through no effort, and get as much as smart, hard working people have that bust their butts. Thing is-hard working, intelligent people figure out very quickly that such a system does absolutely nothing for them. That the harder they work-the more they are forced to work-for no compensation. From each according to their abilities means that the able suffer the most. To each according to their needs means the neediest, not the hardest working or most productive, get the most.

The exception to being impoverished is the leadership and government workers under a communist system. Communism requires a totalitarian leadership. All means of production and distribution are owned by the government. Any private interactions must be controlled and banned.

Anyone with a minimal amount of intelligence can see that such a system is doomed to be a miserable failure from the start. Yet even now, nearly 140 years after his death, the evils that Karl Marx proposed are still embraced by some that see such a system as desirable. It takes a great deal of self loathing to do so.
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