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It's absolutely not up to us, it's the companies and institutions that are firing people for exercising their first amendment rights on their own time. It's ****** up to those organizations, THEY ARE THE EXECUTIONERS
Let me be very clear here, and you need to understand this, that cancel culture is a result of SOCIAL MEDIA.
Social media has given the mob a voice, and the strength to enforce the groupthink views of the collective. Modern companies must pander to this mob, because they maximize profit by appealing to the largest common denominator. So what happens is that when someone falls into the crosshairs of the mob, the corporation is given an ultimatum:
"either ex-communicate the heretic, or we will make YOU the heretic and ex-communicate YOU"
How do you go about solving this problem? Man there is no easy solution, but the heart of the problem is social media. We need to find a way to reduce its influence
Good point. That's probably why we didn't have it until 2007.
Businesses have to maintain a public image for inclusiveness and tolerance. They are competing for customers around the world. Merely being associated with someone controversial is a liability, whether they are guilty or not, or whether it is protected speech or not. Facebook and Youtube rely on advertisers. And the job of advertisers is to promote their business' public image.
Conservatives are the biggest defenders of capitalism, but they fail to understand that the interests of business are not their interests. Business is not conservative. Corporations have no country, they have no people, they have no culture, they have no religion. And there has never been capitalism that wasn't corporatism, because the purpose of capitalism is to enrich the state and to keep other countries dependent.
And the vast majority of these "activists" involved in cancel-culture are middle-class white people whose daddy spent all his time making money and cheating on their mother, while neglecting the emotional needs of his children, sending them off to be indoctrinated in public schools and universities.
It is the Conservative parent who created the hatred of capitalism and conservatism. And who continues to support the system that is destroying him. Too stupid and inflexible to protect himself or make real changes, and too comfortable to fight for anything.
He deserves to suffer.
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Let me be very clear here, and you need to understand this, that cancel culture is a result of SOCIAL MEDIA.
Social media has given the mob a voice, and the strength to enforce the groupthink views of the collective. Modern companies must pander to this mob, because they maximize profit by appealing to the largest common denominator. So what happens is that when someone falls into the crosshairs of the mob, the corporation is given an ultimatum:
"either ex-communicate the heretic, or we will make YOU the heretic and ex-communicate YOU"
How do you go about solving this problem? Man there is no easy solution, but the heart of the problem is social media. We need to find a way to reduce its influence
I totally agree with you except the last point. There is no way you can reduce the influence of social media, the influence will only get bigger.
However think about this. Why is Trump posting on Twitter when every single comment under his tweets are hostile and the platform is against him? The real answer is, there exist no alternative, Trump would leave Twitter in a heartbeat if there was a alternative with 10% of the userbase of Twitter.
I think the problem is that around 5 years ago, platforms were mostly neutral, only recently have they massively started to favour one side. Conservatives thought they could play the system, but it only got worse and worse. Only now are Republican politicans realizing that they need to create alternatives that are controlled by them, not Democrats.
Cancel culture exist in all kind of countries from China under the culture revolution to ISIS.
Cancel culture do not need capitalism to destroy statues or censor speech.
I don't know if I would say China's Cultural Revolution was "cancel-culture", but it does have some similarities. You could argue that the goal of cancel-culture is to change the culture by removing voices and symbols that are deemed controversial or unacceptable. So the outcome of cancel-culture is basically the same as Mao's Cultural-Revolution, but the mechanism of cancel-culture in the United States is people putting pressure on corporations to fire, demonetize, or disassociate with people who are deemed unacceptable.
Which is primarily a function of money, the global-economy, and inclusiveness.
Both political ideologies use cancel culture to play their games.
It's up to us --- we consume the media.
We drive the markets (not we at this board but we the consumers).
We tolerate cancel culture when it supports our ideology but when it doesn't we moan and groan about cancel culture
Since it’s always both sides with you, why not list examples of right wingers getting people canceled and beside that list examples of left wingers getting people canceled? I have a feeling that list will be very lopsided towards the left. Has the right been able to get any of these anti-white nutters at the New York Times fired? Has Twitter banned accounts of these nutters? They can say the most hateful, vile stuff while right wingers get de-platformed for espousing even traditional viewpoints like immigration enforcement.
Now even left wingers are getting canceled for liking stuff that’s just plain common sense or, perhaps scariest of all, not saying something supporting the latest cause.
There is simply no comparison between the two groups, and I hate it when people try to downplay what’s happening here because this stuff is getting too dangerous unless you guys start to recognize and stop this from infecting the party. Honestly I think it’s already too late, but wake up!
I don't know if I would say China's Cultural Revolution was "cancel-culture", but it does have some similarities. You could argue that the goal of cancel-culture is to change the culture by removing voices and symbols that are deemed controversial or unacceptable. So the outcome of cancel-culture is basically the same as Mao's Cultural-Revolution, but the mechanism of cancel-culture in the United States is people putting pressure on corporations to fire, demonetize, or disassociate with people who are deemed unacceptable.
Which is primarily a function of money, the global-economy, and inclusiveness.
Yes, in a capitalistic society and a socialist society cancel-culture will look different, but the effect will be the same. For instance instead of making the company lose money, they can use the power they have over politicans, the mob and the workers in the company to punish a state owned company who do not accept their demands.
Cancel culture is only using capitalism to achieve their goals because US is a capitalistic society. If US was a socialist, then they would use socialism to achieve their goals.
Cancel culture is only using capitalism to achieve their goals because US is a capitalistic society. If US was a socialist, then they would use socialism to achieve their goals.
I agree. My point was, because it is using the capitalist mechanism, it really isn't a problem that can be solved short of canceling-capitalism. Which is why you've seen so many libertarians suddenly demand Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube be regulated.
But I think that is merely the tip of the iceberg. This kind of censorship happens everywhere. Businesses can be boycotted and drove into bankruptcy merely from unproven allegations. People can get fired from saying the wrong thing on their Facebook because businesses have to maintain a public image, it is understandable.
The SJW movement seemed to be running out of steam over the last couple years, as its excesses made it an orthodoxy fewer and fewer could follow. The protests seem to have breathed some life back into it but I still think that it's not as bad as its peak was three to five years ago.
The best ways to beat cancel culture are to continue to patronize businesses, use services, or tune into media that people try to "cancel." If people stop paying attention to it, then it'll eventually die out. If those in charge of whatever the target is make the decision to bow to demands to cancel, then demand it be repealed or stop patronizing. Because right now, people on both ends of the political spectrum are on the lookout for things that they view as a threat or affront to their values, they're going on the offensive on everything, no matter how petty or silly it may seem. Once things chill back out, it'll die off.
Before all this, think about it: calls to cancel celebrities, shows, products, etc because of past slights were being increasingly met with pushback. The Metoo movement was getting mired down because of the excesses that destroyed, or sought to destroy, the lives of generally-respectable male figures (Johnny Depp was a good example).
It'll come to pass.
I just wonder what will replace it
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