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View Poll Results: Should we try to cancel 'cancel culture'?
No - it will die on its own 6 13.95%
No - I like it 5 11.63%
Yes - but it will die on its own 12 27.91%
Yes - pass laws 20 46.51%
Voters: 43. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-30-2020, 09:49 PM
 
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I keep seeing people say how bad cancel culture is but they aren't saying how we can do it. I think it started in 2007 when Don Imus got fired. I was appalled that he got fired for telling jokes. Are there any laws that could be passed to end it? I think strengthening free speech on college campuses would help. I read the Goldwater Institute proposed laws a few years ago:

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The Goldwater model legislation does several things:

It creates an official university policy that strongly affirms the importance of free expression, nullifying any existing restrictive speech codes in the process.
It prevents administrators from disinviting speakers, no matter how controversial, whom members of the campus community wish to hear from.
It establishes a system of disciplinary sanctions for students and anyone else who interferes with the free-speech rights of others.
It allows persons whose free-speech rights have been improperly infringed by the university to recover court costs and attorney’s fees.
It reaffirms the principle that universities, at the official institutional level, ought to remain neutral on issues of public controversy to encourage the widest possible range of opinion and dialogue within the university itself.
It ensures that students will be informed of the official policy on free expression.
It authorizes a special subcommittee of the university board of trustees to issue a yearly report to the public, the trustees, the governor, and the legislature on the administrative handling of free-speech issues.
https://goldwaterinstitute.org/campus-free-speech/

Another idea is to make political affiliation a protected class so you can't be fired for unpopular political views. The only three jurisdictions in the United States that explicitly bans political affiliation and activity discrimination are California, D.C., and New York.

Any other ideas? Or do you like cancel culture?
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Run to daddy government?

What about market pressure, Team Red?
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:04 PM
 
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I keep seeing people say how bad cancel culture is but they aren't saying how we can do it. I think it started in 2007 when Don Imus got fired. I was appalled that he got fired for telling jokes. Are there any laws that could be passed to end it? I think strengthening free speech on college campuses would help. I read the Goldwater Institute proposed laws a few years ago:


https://goldwaterinstitute.org/campus-free-speech/

Another idea is to make political affiliation a protected class so you can't be fired for unpopular political views. The only three jurisdictions in the United States that explicitly bans political affiliation and activity discrimination are California, D.C., and New York.

Any other ideas? Or do you like cancel culture?
You cannot beat the cancel culture by making new laws. We already have laws against destroying public property, does that prevent the mob from destroying things. The laws will not be enforced and potentially used against you.

To cancel cancel culture, you will need an opposing force that is as strong as cancel culture. For instance, Facebook lost 7 billion in advertisment because of a boycott from the left. The right would never been able to organize something similar.

Conservatives should build up alternatives that cannot be boycotted or controlled and then when the backlash arrives, which it will, then there is nothing the left can do to stop conservatives from cancelling cancel culture.
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Socialists are the ones pushing cancel-culture, but it is a byproduct of capitalism. Ironically, conservatives are the ones who created this problem, and they deserve to suffer.
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:07 PM
 
Location: los angeles county
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we need some other major distraction

.... like getting back to work.

or north korea launching a tcbm.
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:08 PM
 
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You cannot beat the cancel culture by making new laws. We already have laws against destroying public property, does that prevent the mob from destroying things. The laws will not be enforced and potentially used against you.

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But dems aren't enforcing those laws. So Trump made an executive order to protect statues.
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Socialists are the ones pushing cancel-culture, but it is a byproduct of capitalism. Ironically, conservatives are the ones who created this problem, and they deserve to suffer.
That's an interesting take. How so?
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:13 PM
 
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But dems aren't enforcing those laws. So Trump made an executive order to protect statues.
That is just putting a bandage on a wound. It does very little to actually stop them.

The real battle to regain control over business, institutions and social media. When a left wing boycott leads to companies apologizing and firing people and right wing boycott leads to nothing, then you know you have a problem.



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Socialists are the ones pushing cancel-culture, but it is a byproduct of capitalism. Ironically, conservatives are the ones who created this problem, and they deserve to suffer.
Cancel culture exist in all kind of countries from China under the culture revolution to ISIS.

Cancel culture do not need captalism to destroy statues or censor speech.
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:17 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Let me be very clear here, and you need to understand this, that cancel culture is a result of SOCIAL MEDIA.

Social media has given the mob a voice, and the strength to enforce the groupthink views of the collective. Modern companies must pander to this mob, because they maximize profit by appealing to the largest common denominator. So what happens is that when someone falls into the crosshairs of the mob, the corporation is given an ultimatum:

"either ex-communicate the heretic, or we will make YOU the heretic and ex-communicate YOU"

How do you go about solving this problem? Man there is no easy solution, but the heart of the problem is social media. We need to find a way to reduce its influence
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Can it be stopped? It looks like a runaway train.
I saw a University Administrator in Canada lost
his job for "liking" a tweet from Dinesh D'Souza.
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