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Old 10-11-2020, 06:48 PM
 
Location: The 719
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OP and many on the right, like Trump, continue to downplay Covid-19 and as of now, we have one of the worse ratios of death per 100K in any 1st world country.

And now cases are spiking again, which will be followed by more deaths.

I would have trouble seeing Trump lose if Covid-19 weren't around.

But his bungling of Covid-19 and him downplaying it, I believe, will cost him the election.

And while people aren't thrill with the protests and riots, I believe many people see Covid-19 as the bigger threat.

But we will see soon enough in a few weeks what a majority not Americans truly think.
False.

April 20: President Trump announced that HHS has distributed the $30 billion in relief funding to health care providers under the CARES act.

​​​​​​​April 20: President Trump announced that there are currently 72 active trials for coronavirus therapies, with 211 additional therapies in the planning stages for active trials.

​​​​​​​April 20: Vice President Pence and members of the coronavirus task force spoke to all 50 state governors and provided each with a list of labs with additional testing capacity in their respective states.

​​​​​​​April 20:​​​​​​​ Chief of the Army Corps of Engineers Gen. Todd Semonite announced that USACE has, to date, executed the construction of 32 facilities across the country, creating approximately 16,000 more beds.

April 20: The Trump Administration announced its helping increase testing swab production by 30M per month - assisting an Ohio manufacturer to convert production lines to produce 10M swabs a month & using the DPA to help Puritan Medical Products produce 20M testing swabs a month.

​​​​​​​April 20: CMS Deputy Administrator and CMMI Director Brad Smith announced that 650,000 infrared thermometers have been secured by the federal government in anticipation of future demand for these devices as states re-open.

​​​​​​​April 20: Vice President Pence and Dr. Birx visited FEMA HQ and thanked FEMA staff for their hard work.

​​​​​​​April 20: Vice President Pence announced that all DoD and federal labs will be made available for states to use in order to increase testing capacity.

​​​​​​​April 20: Vice President Pence and Adm. Giroir announced that current testing capacity means that all 50 states are “ready right now to enter phase one” if they meet other criteria of the President’s opening up America guidelines.

​​​​​​​April 20: HHS announced a partnership with Oracle and their donation of a therapeutic learning system, an online platform designed for collecting crowd-sourced data on potential coronavirus therapies.

​​​​​​​April 20: Vice President Pence announced that the CDC is deploying teams of 10-12 experts to all states and territories to assist in contact tracing.

​​​​​​​April 20: HHS’ substance abuse and mental health services administration (SAMHSA) announced $110 million in emergency grants for those suffering from mental illness and substance abuse amid the coronavirus pandemic.

​​​​​​​April 20: The Defense Department announced the hospital ship the USNS Comfort has started admitting patients from New Jersey.

​​​​​​​April 20: The Defense Department announced the US will be providing humanitarian support and relief to Italy, including transportation, supplies, and telemedicine.

​​​​​​​April 20: The EPA announced expanded research efforts into the coronavirus’ impact on the environment and human health.

​​​​​​​April 20: The VA announced it acquired a 470,000 sq. ft. facility in Texas to help provide overflow bed capacity to treat coronavirus cases, which will eventually serve as an outpatients and specialty care clinic for veterans.

​​​​​​​April 20: Acting DHS Secretary Wolf announced that US, Canada, and Mexico had extended non-essential travel restrictions for an additional 30 days.

​​​​​​​April 20: The Justice Department announced it cleared antitrust barriers which could have blocked the drug distribution company AmerisourceBergen from distributing medicine and supplies as part of the coronavirus response, including hydroxychloroquine.

​​​​​​​April 20: The USDA approved Arizona and Illinois to join the pandemic EBT program, which will help feed children eligible for USDA school lunch programs in these states who are now at home during the coronavirus outbreak.

April 20: CMS announced it is incentivizing Medicare health care providers to report more coronavirus data to help treat and fight the spread of the disease.

April 21: After negotiations with the Trump Administration, the Senate passed the Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act, which includes an additional $382B for the PPP, $75B for hospitals, and $25B for coronavirus testing efforts.

​​​​​​​April 21: President Trump announced that 20 states announced plans to enter phase one of the opening up America again guidelines.

​​​​​​​April 21: President Trump officially announced plans to suspend immigration, with certain exceptions, for 60 days.

​​​​​​​April 21: President Trump met with Governor Cuomo at the White House to discuss coronavirus testing.

​​​​​​​April 21: President Trump announced that the FDA has now authorized more than 50 coronavirus diagnostic tests and four antibody tests.

​​​​​​​April 21: HHS announced $995 million in CARES Act grants for older adults and the disabled.

​​​​​​​April 21: FEMA approved nearly $5 million for BiPAP breathing machines for Pennsylvania.

​​​​​​​April 21: The FDA issued an emergency approval for the first coronavirus test where a sample can be collected at home.

​​​​​​​April 21: The State Department announced it is coordinating international humanitarian assistance with pacific nations including Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and Taiwan.

​​​​​​​April 21: The USDA announced that states of Kentucky, Missouri, and Texas have been added to the SNAP online program, allowing food stamp recipients to purchase food online.

​​​​​​​April 21: Education Secretary DeVos announced an additional $6.2 billion in grants is available for universities to continue providing educational services during the outbreak, such as distance and remote learning programs.

April 22: President Trump signed a Presidential Proclamation suspending immigration in the U.S. for 60 days due to “the impact of foreign workers on the United States labor market, particularly in an environment of high domestic unemployment’.

April 22: President Trump urged the House of Representatives to pass the Senate-backed Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act without delay.

April 22: President Trump directed the Opportunity & Revitalization Council to focus on supporting underserved communities impacted by the coronavirus, including Black and Hispanic communities.

April 22: President Trump announced the Administration has to date directed more than $7 billion in funding towards coronavirus treatments, diagnostics, and therapies.

April 22: President Trump spoke to Governor Newsom about increasing testing capacity.

April 22: President Trump held calls with Pakistan’s PM Imran Khan and Amir Sheikh Tamim Bin Hamad Al Thani of Qatar about the global coronavirus response.

April 22: Vice President Pence held a call with over 340 state legislators from 43 states to discuss the response to coronavirus.

April 22: Vice President Pence announced that 5,500 active duty military personnel are currently deployed to assist in the coronavirus response, including 964 medical personnel in 17 hospitals in 7 states.

April 22: Vice President Pence announced that the VA has been deploying teams of VA personnel to assist nursing homes in some states.

April 22: HHS awarded nearly $165 million in funding to fight the coronavirus in rural communities, providing CARES Act funding to 1,779 small rural hospitals and 14 HRSA-Funded telehealth resource centers.

April 22: HHS announced an additional $20 billion in CARES Act funding for health care providers would be disbursed this week.

April 22: FEMA Announced $36.5 million in expedited funding to the city and county of Denver, Colorado in response to the coronavirus.

April 22: FEMA published a final rule defining certain PPE as ”scarce” to combat hoarding and price gouging of these materials.

April 22: The Justice Department announced federal law enforcement officials had successfully disrupted hundreds of online coronavirus scam websites.

April 22: The USDA announced it has successfully increased monthly SNAP benefits by 40% during the coronavirus outbreak.

April 22: USDA approved Alabama for the Pandemic EBT Program, which will help feed children eligible for USDA school lunch programs who are now at home during the coronavirus outbreak.

April 22: Secretary DeVos called on wealthy universities to reject taxpayer coronavirus funds and on Congress to change the eligibility put forth by the CARES Act.

April 23: President Trump held calls with United Arab Emirates Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Zayed, South Africa President Cyril Ramaphosa, Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta, and Colombian President Ivan Duque about the response to the coronavirus pandemic.

April 23: President Trump announced that to date 750 million pieces of PPE have been delivered to the US through Project Airbridge.

April 23: Vice President Pence participated in a conference call with Secretary Carson to discuss refocusing the White House Opportunity and Revitalization Council on the needs of Hispanic and Black communities impacted by the coronavirus.

April 23: Vice President Pence announced that since the release of the Trump Administration’s Opening Up America Again guidelines, 16 states have issued formal re-opening plans.

April 23: Acting DHS Undersecretary for Science & Technology William Bryan announced findings of a study indicating that heat, humidity, and UV rays can slow and kill the coronavirus.

April 23: HHS announced $631 million in CARES Act funding for public health departments across the country for testing, contact tracing, and containment of the coronavirus.

April 23: HHS awarded nearly $5 million to poison control centers across the country which are seeing increased calls during the coronavirus outbreak.

April 23: CMS released a new telehealth toolkit to accelerate state us of telehealth in Medicaid and CHIP during the coronavirus pandemic.

April 23: The USDA approved Wisconsin for the Pandemic EBT Program, which will help feed children eligible for USDA school lunch programs who are now at home during the coronavirus outbreak.

April 23: The EPA announced that it blocked the importation of “a significant number of shipments” of illegal and untested “virus shut out” products that were being shipped into California airports.

April 24: President Trump signed the Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act into law, providing $321B in new funding for the PPP, $75B for health care providers, and $25B for coronavirus testing.

April 24: President Trump held calls with the Indonesian President, Ecuadorian President, El Salvadorian President, and Honduran President about the response to the coronavirus pandemic.

April 24: Vice President Pence announced to date 5.1 million coronavirus tests have been completed.

April 24: Vice President Pence announced that over 35,000 National Guard troops and 5,000 active duty military personnel in 10 states remain active to assist in the coronavirus response.

April 24: Vice President Pence & members of the coronavirus held a conference call with Governors to discuss increasing testing capacity.

April 24: FDA Administrator Dr. Hahn announced the FDA granted emergency approvals to 63 coronavirus diagnostic and serological tests to date.

April 24: Administrator Carranza & Secretary Mnuchin announced that the FBA will resume accepting PPP loans on Monday, April 27.

April 24: Secretary of Labor Scalia participated in a virtual G20 Labor & Employment Ministers meeting to discuss the response to the coronavirus pandemic.

April 24: The VA announced that hiring has increased 37% during the first 2 weeks of April, as the agency surges staff to fight the coronavirus.

April 24: The DOJ obtained an injunction prohibiting a Dallas health center from fraudulently promoting “ozone therapy” as a legitimate COVID-19 treatment.

April 24: USDA approved California & Connecticut for the Pandemic EBT Program, which will help feed children eligible for USDA school lunch programs who are now at home during the coronavirus outbreak.

April 24: The USDA announced Vermont was added to the SNAP online program, allowing food stamp recipients to purchase food online.
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Old 10-11-2020, 06:53 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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I see he has done a little but he still did a feelgood measure until March and still continued to peddle misinformation despite telling Bob Woodward he knew how bad it really was. And he lies about it. Any rebuttal to that. And don't give me the panic debate since we panicked over toiletries and hand sanitizers.
No matter what was done, it would never be enough for some people.
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Old 10-11-2020, 06:53 PM
 
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False.

*snip*
Dude. Spam is not just a central foodstuff in a Monty Python sketch.
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Old 10-11-2020, 07:01 PM
 
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False.

April 20: President Trump announced that HHS has distributed the $30 billion in relief funding to health care providers under the CARES act.

​​​​​​​April 20: President Trump announced that there are currently 72 active trials for coronavirus therapies, with 211 additional therapies in the planning stages for active trials.
It does not matter what you think Trump did. The proof is in the pudding as they say. When you compare how a county is dealing with a pandemic, look at their closest most similar neighbors. In our case that is Canada.

USA Cases per million 24,000
Canada Cases per million 4,800

USA deaths per million 663
Canada deaths per million 254

USA new cases today 41,936

Canada 1685

American had 24 times the new cases of Canada today. America is 9 times bigger.

American has averaged 736 deaths a day this past week

Canada has averaged 21.

Trump does not deserve reelection. We have 140,000 more deaths than we should have. Their blood is on Trump's little hands.

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Old 10-11-2020, 07:29 PM
 
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Allan Lichtman has correctly predicted the winner since 1986. He created a 13 factor analysis test. If a candidate has more factors then the other cndidate, they will win. He predicted Trump would win in 2016. He also predicted that Trump would be impeached.


Biden has 7 of the factors. And predicts a Biden win.


However, it only works if the the election is not chaotic- no voter suppression or foreign meddling.
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Old 10-11-2020, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Default Why Trump and YOU Won't Win Again

This is my long-form reply to the AADAD post Why WE Won. Why We'll Win Again II. It has become painfully obvious that Trump is going to lose the election. National polling he is behind by an average of 10 points in the last week, week and a half. State polling he is mostly doing worse than he was in 2016. Electorally, he is in a mess with a lot of must-win states trending Biden, even Ohio which wasn't a need in this year's map. To me, while I have seen the writing on the wall with his handling of Covid, this really started last week during the first and possibly only presidential debate and continued during his Covid diagnosis and case. I have come up with five reasons in particular:
  • Trump is unhinged.
  • Attacks on the election process and change of power.
  • Support of anti-government militias.
  • Refusal to denounce white supremacy.
  • Covid-19 and his lack of handling the virus.

Trump has acted really unhinged the last two or so weeks dating back to the release of his tax information by the NYT. Whether it was truthful or not, it was effective and caused issues for Trump going forward. Then he was interrupted to the point of belligerence during the first debate. He made a few good points but a lot of what he interrupted with were off-base or downright conspiracy. Then his Twitter rants when he was recovering from Covid. Trump is clearly mentally unfit to be president.

Trump's attack on the institution of the election process is downright treasonous. It really sounds like to me that Trump wants to be a Putin. You know, the type of leader our founding fathers did not want at all. Remember besides FDR all presidents followed a two-term length, even those that came in with the death of the preceding president. The attacks lead into the next issue. Now he attacks mail-in balloting, something he has done for years and I have as well?

Trump's support of anti-government militias is downright scary. Yes, there have been a need for a few throughout history, though every single one have failed. Bacon failed, the Whiskey Rebellion failed and the Confederacy failed as well. You can even throw in Ruby Ridge, Karasch and Bundy. Luckily Bundy never went to gunplay. That said, Trump supporting anti-government groups and encouraging them with #LiberateMichigan is downright disgusting. Now he will not comment about the Whitmer kidnappers.

Trump regardless of if he is an outright racist, is a race-baiter. He had the Central Park 5 situation that he never apologized for when they got their conviction overturned. Trump was involved in the Obama birther scandal. But one place where Trump is lost is not denouncing white supremacy. It is rather easy to do even if you don't mean it. Trump not condemning them time and time again especially in the debate lost him the election.

I will not go into detail of the last to sound like I want to beat a dead horse, but Trump has not handled the virus great at all. He even said to Bob Woodward that he didn't let the American people know how serious it was to have the American people not panic.
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Old 10-11-2020, 09:11 PM
 
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This is my long-form reply to the AADAD post Why WE Won. Why We'll Win Again II. It has become painfully obvious that Trump is going to lose the election. National polling he is behind by an average of 10 points in the last week, week and a half. State polling he is mostly doing worse than he was in 2016. Electorally, he is in a mess with a lot of must-win states trending Biden, even Ohio which wasn't a need in this year's map. To me, while I have seen the writing on the wall with his handling of Covid, this really started last week during the first and possibly only presidential debate and continued during his Covid diagnosis and case. I have come up with five reasons in particular:
  • Trump is unhinged.
  • Attacks on the election process and change of power.
  • Support of anti-government militias.
  • Refusal to denounce white supremacy.
  • Covid-19 and his lack of handling the virus.

Trump has acted really unhinged the last two or so weeks dating back to the release of his tax information by the NYT. Whether it was truthful or not, it was effective and caused issues for Trump going forward. Then he was interrupted to the point of belligerence during the first debate. He made a few good points but a lot of what he interrupted with were off-base or downright conspiracy. Then his Twitter rants when he was recovering from Covid. Trump is clearly mentally unfit to be president.

Trump's attack on the institution of the election process is downright treasonous. It really sounds like to me that Trump wants to be a Putin. You know, the type of leader our founding fathers did not want at all. Remember besides FDR all presidents followed a two-term length, even those that came in with the death of the preceding president. The attacks lead into the next issue. Now he attacks mail-in balloting, something he has done for years and I have as well?

Trump's support of anti-government militias is downright scary. Yes, there have been a need for a few throughout history, though every single one have failed. Bacon failed, the Whiskey Rebellion failed and the Confederacy failed as well. You can even throw in Ruby Ridge, Karasch and Bundy. Luckily Bundy never went to gunplay. That said, Trump supporting anti-government groups and encouraging them with #LiberateMichigan is downright disgusting. Now he will not comment about the Whitmer kidnappers.

Trump regardless of if he is an outright racist, is a race-baiter. He had the Central Park 5 situation that he never apologized for when they got their conviction overturned. Trump was involved in the Obama birther scandal. But one place where Trump is lost is not denouncing white supremacy. It is rather easy to do even if you don't mean it. Trump not condemning them time and time again especially in the debate lost him the election.

I will not go into detail of the last to sound like I want to beat a dead horse, but Trump has not handled the virus great at all. He even said to Bob Woodward that he didn't let the American people know how serious it was to have the American people not panic.
I think both sides are equally scared the other side could win.

You are obviously afraid, but to be fair I am probably equally as terrified as you are for opposite reasons
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Old 10-11-2020, 09:13 PM
 
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Nobody cares about "white supremacy." Nor about militias. You need to turn the tv off sometimes and go outside. As for coronavirus: it's all well and good to play Monday-morning quarterback, but what do the Democrats propose to do now?
Will we have stricter coronavirus restrictions coming three months from now, from the federal level? Who wants that? Not many people, I assure you.
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Old 10-11-2020, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I made my official response to this entire thread. https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...l#post59382472
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Old 10-11-2020, 09:15 PM
 
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Originally Posted by mkpunk View Post
This is my long-form reply to the AADAD post Why WE Won. Why We'll Win Again II. It has become painfully obvious that Trump is going to lose the election. National polling he is behind by an average of 10 points in the last week, week and a half. State polling he is mostly doing worse than he was in 2016. Electorally, he is in a mess with a lot of must-win states trending Biden, even Ohio which wasn't a need in this year's map. To me, while I have seen the writing on the wall with his handling of Covid, this really started last week during the first and possibly only presidential debate and continued during his Covid diagnosis and case. I have come up with five reasons in particular:
  • Trump is unhinged.
  • Attacks on the election process and change of power.
  • Support of anti-government militias.
  • Refusal to denounce white supremacy.
  • Covid-19 and his lack of handling the virus.

Trump has acted really unhinged the last two or so weeks dating back to the release of his tax information by the NYT. Whether it was truthful or not, it was effective and caused issues for Trump going forward. Then he was interrupted to the point of belligerence during the first debate. He made a few good points but a lot of what he interrupted with were off-base or downright conspiracy. Then his Twitter rants when he was recovering from Covid. Trump is clearly mentally unfit to be president.

Trump's attack on the institution of the election process is downright treasonous. It really sounds like to me that Trump wants to be a Putin. You know, the type of leader our founding fathers did not want at all. Remember besides FDR all presidents followed a two-term length, even those that came in with the death of the preceding president. The attacks lead into the next issue. Now he attacks mail-in balloting, something he has done for years and I have as well?

Trump's support of anti-government militias is downright scary. Yes, there have been a need for a few throughout history, though every single one have failed. Bacon failed, the Whiskey Rebellion failed and the Confederacy failed as well. You can even throw in Ruby Ridge, Karasch and Bundy. Luckily Bundy never went to gunplay. That said, Trump supporting anti-government groups and encouraging them with #LiberateMichigan is downright disgusting. Now he will not comment about the Whitmer kidnappers.

Trump regardless of if he is an outright racist, is a race-baiter. He had the Central Park 5 situation that he never apologized for when they got their conviction overturned. Trump was involved in the Obama birther scandal. But one place where Trump is lost is not denouncing white supremacy. It is rather easy to do even if you don't mean it. Trump not condemning them time and time again especially in the debate lost him the election.

I will not go into detail of the last to sound like I want to beat a dead horse, but Trump has not handled the virus great at all. He even said to Bob Woodward that he didn't let the American people know how serious it was to have the American people not panic.
so does all of this mean that you will need to see a doctor for depression after TRUMP does win again...?It seems like you better go ahead and make some kind of doctor appointment now to avoid the rush later..
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