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Old 05-26-2021, 03:05 PM
 
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I don’t think anyone is saying that doctors misdiagnosed. They are saying that unhealthy people were at much greater risk of dying from covid than healthy folks. Some were so unhealthy that just about anything could push them over the edge.

Patiently waiting for an honest and deep look into reported vaccine deaths and injuries from unbiased sources. Not holding my breath, however.
Push them over the edge? That’s not how it works. People got the virus (which is a known factor, via testing) and if they had symptoms caused by the virus and died as a result, they died because of the virus.

Therefore, they died from Covid. If they died because of a different health issue, then that’s what caused their death.

A Covid death in someone who’s unhealthy counts.

A death following a vaccine may count in vaccine caused deaths - but it’s statistically more likely that the unhealthy person died of whatever they were suffering from, not because of the vaccine. A determination needs to be made. You can’t just extrapolate.

I find it highly unlikely that there are no reliable follow up determinations being made on why people died after getting the vax. Where I live, the case of blot clots caused by the AstraZeneca shot is well documented and the vax is not recommended for people under 50.

 
Old 05-26-2021, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Spain
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So Joseph Mercola is the charlatan you desire to defend today. OK.
What was funny was she brought him up after pretending there were no anti-vaxx groups and demanding that SuzyQ name one. When 4-5 such organizations were rattled off she was obviously quite familiar with them since immediately mentioned Mercola as some martyr.
 
Old 05-26-2021, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Push them over the edge? That’s not how it works. People got the virus (which is a known factor, via testing) and if they had symptoms caused by the virus and died as a result, they died because of the virus.

Therefore, they died from Covid. If they died because of a different health issue, then that’s what caused their death.

A Covid death in someone who’s unhealthy counts.

A death following a vaccine may count in vaccine caused deaths - but it’s statistically more likely that the unhealthy person died of whatever they were suffering from, not because of the vaccine. A determination needs to be made. You can’t just extrapolate.

I find it highly unlikely that there are no reliable follow up determinations being made on why people died after getting the vax. Where I live, the case of blot clots caused by the AstraZeneca shot is well documented and the vax is not recommended for people under 50.

There's a lot of real estate between a healthy 25 year old getting covid and dropping dead and a 85 year old hospice patient getting covid and dying.
 
Old 05-26-2021, 03:33 PM
 
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He is the doctor who decided that since 1% of the placebo cohort got covid during the trials, the vaccine would only reduce the number of infections in the population by 1%. Over 9% of the US population has become infected with covid since the vaccine trials, so clearly this doctor isn't very bright. I think "quack" would be an appropriate word.
Weird, he is the only doctor the NIH published for outpatient care and the most referenced doctor in his field.

Their calculations in TX said they were already 80% herd immune, even if they were off some, how much impact is the vaccine going to have, thats why TX could reopen so confidently depsite uncle Joey's neanderthal comment. He isnt the only one - link
"We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April, Covid cases have dropped 77% in six weeks. Experts should level with the public about the good news."

But beyond that, his points still stand, regardless of his qualifications - link
 
Old 05-26-2021, 03:44 PM
 
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Now that the latest study out shows that those who have caught Covid and recovered have long-term immunity perhaps even better than the vaccine, how is it that all these businesses in different establishments can mandate vaccines?
 
Old 05-26-2021, 03:53 PM
 
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marketing practices have been exposed as slick promotion, mis & disinformation, and scare tactics.


Are you talking about the vaccines? Yes, I absolutely agree.
 
Old 05-26-2021, 04:01 PM
 
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Scientists in Germany say they have uncovered the cause of the rare blood clots linked to Covid-19 vaccines produced by AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson and can fix the side effect,

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-558954/v1
 
Old 05-26-2021, 04:05 PM
 
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Reinfections are not rare. The problem is that confirming one has relied on genetic sequencing of the viruses from both infections to rule out persistence of the first infection. It is now possible to document second infections that are distant enough timewise that persistent infection would be extremely unlikely. Median time between infections in this study was 200 days.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...reinfection-84

"People who had COVID-19 had an 84% lower risk of becoming reinfected and a 93% lower risk of symptomatic infection [compared to people with no previous infection] during 7 months of follow-up, according to findings from a large, multicenter study published late last week in The Lancet."
That study was published in April. It confirms what was suspected: that natural infection with covid confers protection against reinfection although there are a fair number of breakthroughs. 7.0% were already negative for antibodies although they had tested positive (or had measurable antibodies) previously.

"In a commentary in the same journal, Florian Krammer, PhD, of the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City, said that although natural infection tends to induce lower and more variable antibody concentrations than COVID-19 vaccines, "the findings of the authors suggest that infection and the development of an antibody response provides protection similar to or even better than currently used SARS-CoV-2 vaccines." I assume the latter bolded comment reflects that some vaccines are less efficacious than others."
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...reinfection-84

What this study does not do is look at breakthroughs for a substantially different or problematic variant after infection with the original variant. The UK study would have included infections by B.117 (where there was not vaccine escape) but given its timing probably not a substantial number of Indian variant cases.

As Suzy pointed out measuring this can be difficult since genomic mapping often is not available certainly in Brazil or South Africa, particularly for the first illness. Doctors' report are, of course, only anecdotal.
 
Old 05-26-2021, 04:07 PM
 
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What SPECIFIC information that any of the above reported was wrong?

*crickets*

Dr Mercola was harassed and threatened so badly he has since REMOVED content from his website. Even about basic vitamins.

Event 201 in play. When you lose control of the messaging FLOOD THE ZONE take down the enemy.

Censorship in play.

Did you know that MIT funded a study to prove how "anti-maskers" were anti-scientific and that all the memes and graphs posted by "anti-maskers" were scientifically incorrect?

Did you know the result was that they discovered that the information promoted by "anti-maksrers" was in fact correct, the "anti-maskers" were using sound scientific principles when creating their information and that "anti-maskers were MORE LIKELY to admit/point out ANY bias than the scientific experts and officials?

No? Didn't know any of that?

SHOCKER
The same Dr Mercola that got busted by the feds for scamming people? Yeah real upstanding guy.
 
Old 05-26-2021, 04:08 PM
 
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Who are you to call a frontline doctor a quack?

“Dr. Peter McCullough has 600 peer-reviewed publications to his name. Many have appeared in top-tier journals such as the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American Medical Association and The Lancet. He is the president of the Cardiorenal Society of America, the co-editor of Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine and associate editor of the American Journal of Cardiology and Cardiorenal Medicine. He has led monitoring safety boards in major drug trials.

Dr. Peter McCullough, a prominent cardiologist, internist and professor of medicine.”
I've learned that "quack" means 2 things:

1. Something a duck said

2. A prestigious doctor that a certain population disagrees with
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